[AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the impending mandatatory censorship scheme?

Thu Jul 8 17:00:21 EST 2010

I was watching V for Vendetta last night. What is fictional in that  
movie is becoming a reality here in aus (monitoring all  
communications, blacklists, etc...)

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On 08/07/2010, at 3:26 PM, "Chris Pollock" <Chris.Pollock at staff.pipenetworks.com 
 > wrote:

> IMO the the two things are different halves of the same plan, as  
> Bevan touched on some weeks ago.
>
> - implement a filtering system which checks every URL entered by  
> every Australian
> - implement a data retention system for all ISP's to maintain  
> substantial information about user internet and communication history
> - implement a single national broadband network
> - remove AusCERT and establish Government run CERT
>
> So they'd own/run the network, track what you do on it, only allow  
> you access to the things they want you to see, and then control the  
> threat response.  I hope the Telescreen can view YouTube videos.
>
> Sounds like a recipe to take control of the Internet to me.  I'll  
> happily kill the NBN if it means killing the filter.  The last five  
> houses I've lived in have had over 16mbps down and 1meg up, I  
> haven't had a problem with Internet access speed since dialup in  
> 2001.  And those edge cases that can't get any decent speeds aren't  
> even going to be serviced by the NBN anyway, USO Corp will be taking  
> the Universal Service Obligation customers off Telstra's hands.
>
> You don't have to look at many heat maps to realise that getting  
> acceptable broadband speed to the majority of homes is NOT the real  
> goal of the NBN.  Losing it isn't just collateral damage, it's  
> cutting off two heads of the same hydra.
>
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> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog- 
> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Oskam
> Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 1:49 AM
> To: Skeeve Stevens
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively,doing about the  
> impending mandatatory censorship scheme?
>
> I'm in the same boat as you Skeeve - my thoughts exactly
> I just can't justify the loss of the NBN.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Andrew Oskam
>
> On 08/07/2010, at 12:54 AM, Skeeve Stevens <Skeeve at eintellego.net>  
> wrote:
>
>> Honestly, I am a Labor voter... well... was... not sure now.
>>
>>
>> If Abbot hadn’t said he was going to scrap the NBN, I would be vot 
>> ing for the      Liberals... bring back Turnbull... I liked him L
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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>>
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>> --
>>
>> NOC, NOC, who's there?
>>
>>
>> From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog- 
>> bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Moyle-Croft
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 12:48 AM
>> To: Phillip Grasso
>> Cc: Skeeve Stevens; ausnog at ausnog.net
>> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] What are we , collectively, doing about the  
>> impending      mandatatory censorship scheme?
>>
>>
>> Senate seats might hurt them, but ask yourself this:
>>
>>
>> What do you know about the Opposition's views on the filter?   If  
>> Labor lose will it mean scraping the idea or claiming it as their  
>> own to claim the same voting block?
>>
>>
>> If the Opposition support it and so do Labor then the minorities  
>> are irrelevant in the Senate.
>>
>>
>> MMC
>>
>>
>> On 07/07/2010, at 11:55 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> you raise good points, let me say this;
>>
>>
>> Senate Seats. Hit them where it hurts.
>>
>>
>> my back of envelope count is that we'll need 338K votes to get 1  
>> senate seat.
>>
>>
>> 1 Senate seat will probably be enough to do damage to a filtering  
>> program, especially when they would want to do deals to get other  
>> things across (assuming they don't have an overwhelming majority)
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc at internode.com.au 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 07/07/2010, at 11:22 PM, Phillip Grasso wrote:
>>
>> > its been pretty clear what Google position all along. Why else do  
>> you think Conroy has it in for Google.
>> >
>> > The problem is that not enough 'outcry' from the industry is  
>> there, so Conroy is free to say he's got the support of the  
>> industry, with a possibly few big players in his back pocket due to  
>> NBN, he can say things such as 'industry consultation/support' etc.
>>
>> I think we could be super organised, with a huge media budget and  
>> the Fed Govt wouldn't change their mind before the election.
>>
>> If they did change their mind then the opposition would just use it  
>> to show (a) they're backing down and not delivering on YET another  
>> policy (b) not tough on Child Pornography (c) not protecting our  
>> kids.  Which ever of the arguments works the best for TonyA at the  
>> time.
>>
>> This isn't a rational argument.  It's clear the Conroy isn't  
>> interested in rational arguments.   The whole proposal is laughable  
>> (heck, I've just come back from the US where we ARE a joke because  
>> of this - most people think it's already running!), but still, the  
>> telecommunications industry is a poor block of votes compared to  
>> keeping the conservative Christian lobby on side (the people who  
>> want this).
>>
>> The focus really needs to be on these things:
>>
>> If Labor is reelected will they claim they have a mandate to  
>> implement the filter (even if no one voted Labor because of it).    
>> Or will it die as a "non-core promise" if Conroy is moved on as  
>> telecommunications minister?
>>
>> If the Liberals are elected instead, what will they do?   Will they  
>> show sanity and kill it (small-l liberal) or be beholden to the  
>> same conservative Christian lobby who have convinced Labor it's a  
>> good idea.
>>
>> Labor, as above, can't be and won't be able to chance their minds  
>> before the election.  The question is - will this be an election  
>> issue or will we be back to beating up on the vunerable and non- 
>> voting refugees again like the tough people we are.   (Must remind  
>> Christians like TonyA about what Christianity is about - seem to  
>> remember a few bits from the Bible from Sunday school and Jesus  
>> embracing everyone and looking after the poor and destitute, not  
>> just some of them - anyway, offtopic).
>>
>> MMC
>>
>>
>>
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