[AusNOG] CCC and Terria "rage against coalition"

Thu Oct 22 00:09:50 EST 2009

I suppose it's "the holes of nothing that make it really something"...
:)

[b]

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From: John Lindsay [mailto:jlindsay at internode.com.au] 
Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 10:58 PM
To: Ben Grubb
Cc: Bevan Slattery; ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CCC and Terria "rage against coalition"

Actually Conroy is doing a great job of telling the truth very carefully
and getting his audience to fill in the gaps. 

He is saying:

The 10% end up with copper loops and WiMax/LTE/satellite but no fibre. 

And,

The 90% end up with fibre and no copper in the end game.

That's entirely consistent. 

Further options include: NBNCo could end up with the USO and any
retailer could provide the service. Or Telstra could keep it's copper
and remain responsible. There are lots of endgames. 

Cheers, 

jsl

On 21/10/2009, at 10:58 PM, Ben Grubb <ben at techwiredau.com> wrote:

	Some good points raised. I've bolded the point I am confused
about. 

	Another:

	September 15 

	TONY JONES: But in short - just to cut you short there - just to
finish or see if I can get an actual answer to the question: in the end,
what you don't want to see is two separate networks.

	STEPHEN CONROY: Well we've said we want to build a
wholesale-only, open access network, and I think if you look at what's
transpired over the last 15 to 20 years, the competing infrastructure
model has failed to deliver competition. And what we're looking to do is
introduce a wholesale-only company. We welcome Telstra, Optus, any of
the other potential vendors to be part of our network. And if that turns
out to be a partnership with Telstra, it would see, as we lay the copper
- the fibre into the homes, we'd be taking the copper out. And we - the
NBN Co. would become the sole connection from the curb to the home. So,
yes, that is one of the options that may come from the discussions that
are taking place at the moment.

	<http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2687024.htm>
http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2008/s2687024.htm

	Today:

	Journalist: Senator, who's going to take responsibility for
providing phone services to 10 per cent of households who don't get
access to the fibre optic cables?

	Let's be clear. It's unfortunate that Senator Minchin is
struggling to understand the difference between a broadband service and
a phone line. No one has suggested that the copper lines in the 10 per
cent are suddenly going to vanish or that they're going to be cut off or
that they're going to be pulled out, which is exactly what Nick
Minchin's suggesting.

	There's nothing in this legislation whatsoever that suggests
that, except we are strengthening the universal service obligation. So
the universal service obligation is what pays, via a levy today paid to
Telstra to provide that service. And nothing is changing. And for Nick
Minchin to not understand the difference between delivering a broadband
network over wireless and satellite and a copper-based phone service is
just embarrassing.

	-- 
	Ben Grubb

	On 21/10/2009, at 11:17 PM, Bevan Slattery wrote:

		I have to completely agree.  There are many holes in the
legislation and logic.  I think with the appropriate
time/consulting/feedback this could be very worthwhile.  But there are
some extraordinary inconsistencies with the legislation, public comment
by politicians and industry types.  In a doorstop interview today Sen
Conroy said:

		"Let's be clear. It's unfortunate that Senator Minchin
is struggling to understand the difference between a broadband service
and a phone line. No-one has suggested that the copper lines in the 10
per cent are suddenly going to vanish or that they're going to be cut
off or that they're going to be pulled out, which is exactly what Nick
Minchin's suggesting."

		I am confused.  So when Telstra are forced to split
under the current legislation and handover it's network to NBN Co (or
whoever) who is actually responsible for maintaining those exchanges and
it's associated copper.  I thought Telstra were not going to operate a
fixed line service under the separation model?

		Anyone?  Foreman from the CCC?

		[b]

________________________________

		From: Grahame Lynch
[mailto:grahamelynch at commsdaymail.com] 
		Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2009 9:58 PM
		To: Bevan Slattery
		Cc: <mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net> ausnog at ausnog.net
		Subject: Re: [AusNOG] CCC and Terria "rage against
coalition"

		I'm intrigued by this idea that you can one hand
legislate to compel Telstra to divest any ownership ties to a fixed
network and become a pure retailer but on the other hand - in the same
bill - you can legislate even greater requirements than today for
Telstra to be responsible for fixed network delivery in the bush via the
USO.

		Seems to me like a fairly irreconcilable twin set of
obligations to me. The government line is that it will all be figured
out down the track which I guess is fair enough - if you're also
prepared to relax the apparently urgent deadline for the legislation
itself and the requirement for Telstra to commit to the terms of its
separation before it knows the terms of its obligations in terms of USO
and so forth.

		Somebody in the Department has made a mess of this one.

		2009/10/21 Bevan Slattery <
<mailto:Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com>
Bevan.Slattery at staff.pipenetworks.com>

<http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/323020/rage_against_coalition_industry
_>
http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/323020/rage_against_coalition_industry_

lashes_opposition_fights_against_telstra_separation

			Bit over the top??  I'd like to see the
legislation look at solving the
			real/future problems such as reduce the
negotiate/arbitrate process for
			regulated (rather than only declared as proposed
in the legislation)
			bottleneck infrastructure such as duct access
(NBN) and towers (4G/LTE)
			rather than mainly focus on the copper world.

			I'm trying to think why the violent reaction
from CCC and TERRIA?  Is it
			no longer 'cool' to ask questions?

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