[AusNOG] Web filter a runaway success: Exetel [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Wed May 6 14:58:40 EST 2009

I was going to reply earlier saying I didn't understand why Sealand was
so popular vs. using of out-of-survey single hulled freighters. You
could get a pretty nice boat for low millions for sure.

Then it occurred to me what it'd be like trying to rack a 70kg bit of
kit on the deck of a boat pitching in the high seas - I can only imagine
aerial DCs would strike the same issues. Water would have its
advantages, you could pump seawater through some pipes and get a really
efficient cooling system. A session for the AusNOG conference perhaps?
:)

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From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Cox
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 2:50 PM
To: ausnog at ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Web filter a runaway success: Exetel

Why not go skyward then? 
Wind power is a currently working solution.. you'll just need a lot of
helium to float your DC :-)
On the plus side you could make do with less air-conditioning.. it
should be cold enough up there as is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspace - according to the sources there's
no legally defined limit over what height you'd have to go to over a
country.. but over unclaimed sea you could pick your own height I guess.

Food for thought / or another sci-fi movie.

McDonald Richards wrote: 

	You'll have to pay Google a licensing fee if you want to build a
floating DC now :)

http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/05/floating-data-center-patent
-granted-to-google.ars

	Macca

	From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Colwell, Scott
	Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2009 10:24 AM
	To: ausnog at ausnog.net
	Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Web filter a runaway success: Exetel

	Just been to see "The Boat that Rocked".

	Can I interest anyone in setting up a web hosting business on a
ship outside the

	territorial limits?   Moor it over PPC-1 and get Bev to hook you
up!

	Scott

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		From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Moyle-Croft
		Sent: Tuesday, 5 May 2009 9:38 PM
		To: ausnog at ausnog.net
		Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Web filter a runaway success:
Exetel

		And just so no one thinks this is a good idea:

http://www.efa.org.au/2009/05/05/efa-gets-link-removal-notice/

		Insane and angry making.

		MMC

		Mark Newton wrote: 

		On 05/05/2009, at 6:51 PM, Kai wrote:

			Mmmm, so the article doesn't tell the full
story, figures, but what's
			the bet that certain people in certain places
will use this one  
			article
			to basically say "Hey, see, the filter aint ALL
bad..." :S

		The problem is that Peter Mancer from Watchdog has
already admitted that
		it can't satisfy even the most watered-down of the
Government's  
		requirements,
		because it can't cope with URLs hosted on high-traffic
sites occupying
		the blacklist.

		Remember:  Since last year, Conroy has claimed that he
wants the ACMA
		prohibited list to be blocked.  When the ACMA prohibited
list was leaked
		that position became politically hilarious, so he
changed his tune to
		"almost exclusively RC" (SBS Insight 31 March 2009),
then "We've
		never stated that we were going to do anything other
than Refused
		Classification" (Triple J Hack, 7 April 2009)
		http://newmatilda.com/polliegraph/?p=567

		The problem is that the Classification Board has Refused
Classification
		to several YouTube videos, which means the ultimate
"high traffic site"
		is on the blacklist even after Conroy has changed all
the definitions.

		And Mancer has said that high-traffic sites will blow
his system's  
		brains
		out.  Indeed, the failure mode is exactly the same (and
for exactly the
		same reason) as the IWF Wikipedia failure in the UK in
early December.

		Mancer's proposed solution is to whitelist high-traffic
sites, so they  
		won't
		be blocked even if the Government insists that they must
be.

		So Exetel has had a "runaway success" in testing a
system which cannot
		satisfy the Government's requirements.

		Can Exetel deploy Mancer's censorbox without a
Government mandate to
		deploy a voluntary filtering service in response to
demand from their
		customers?  By all means, and more power to them.  Hope
it works out
		for them.

		But will that meet the dictates of the Government's
stated policy?
		Nope.  They'll need another, untested censorbox to do
that.

		   - mark

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