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color=#0000ff size=2>I was going to reply earlier saying I didn't understand why
Sealand was so popular vs. using of out-of-survey single hulled
freighters. You could get a pretty nice boat for low millions for
sure.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Then it occurred to me what it'd be like trying to rack a
70kg bit of kit on the deck of a boat pitching in the high seas - I can only
imagine aerial DCs would strike the same issues. Water would have its
advantages, you could pump seawater through some pipes and get a
really efficient cooling system. A session for the AusNOG conference
perhaps? :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Andrew
Cox<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 6 May 2009 2:50 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
ausnog@ausnog.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [AusNOG] Web filter a runaway success:
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<DIV></DIV>Why not go skyward then? <BR>Wind power is a currently working
solution.. you'll just need a lot of helium to float your DC :-)<BR>On the plus
side you could make do with less air-conditioning.. it should be cold enough up
there as is.<BR><BR><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspace">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airspace</A>
- according to the sources there's no legally defined limit over what height
you'd have to go to over a country.. but over unclaimed sea you could pick your
own height I guess.<BR><BR>Food for thought / or another sci-fi
movie.<BR><BR>McDonald Richards wrote:
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have to pay Google a licensing fee if you want to build a floating DC now
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href="http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/05/floating-data-center-patent-granted-to-google.ars"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://arstechnica.com/hardware/news/2009/05/floating-data-center-patent-granted-to-google.ars</A><O:P></O:P></SPAN></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Colwell, Scott<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, 6 May 2009 10:24
AM<BR><B>To:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[AusNOG] Web filter a runaway success:
Exetel<O:P></O:P></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Just
been to see "The Boat that Rocked".</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Can I
interest anyone in setting up a web hosting business on a ship outside
the</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">territorial
limits? Moor it over PPC-1 and get Bev to hook you
up!</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'">Scott</SPAN><O:P></O:P></P>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Matthew Moyle-Croft<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 5 May 2009
9:38 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated
href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[AusNOG] Web filter a runaway success: Exetel</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal>And just so no one thinks this is a good idea:<BR><BR><A
href="http://www.efa.org.au/2009/05/05/efa-gets-link-removal-notice/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.efa.org.au/2009/05/05/efa-gets-link-removal-notice/</A><BR><BR>Insane
and angry making.<BR><BR>MMC<BR><BR>Mark Newton wrote: <O:P></O:P></P><PRE>On 05/05/2009, at 6:51 PM, Kai wrote:<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE> <O:P></O:P></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"><PRE>Mmmm, so the article doesn't tell the full story, figures, but what's<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>the bet that certain people in certain places will use this one <O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>article<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>to basically say "Hey, see, the filter aint ALL bad..." :S<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE> <O:P></O:P></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>The problem is that Peter Mancer from Watchdog has already admitted that<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>it can't satisfy even the most watered-down of the Government's <O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>requirements,<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>because it can't cope with URLs hosted on high-traffic sites occupying<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>the blacklist.<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>Remember: Since last year, Conroy has claimed that he wants the ACMA<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>prohibited list to be blocked. When the ACMA prohibited list was leaked<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>that position became politically hilarious, so he changed his tune to<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>"almost exclusively RC" (SBS Insight 31 March 2009), then "We've<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>never stated that we were going to do anything other than Refused<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>Classification" (Triple J Hack, 7 April 2009)<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><A href="http://newmatilda.com/polliegraph/?p=567" moz-do-not-send="true">http://newmatilda.com/polliegraph/?p=567</A><O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>The problem is that the Classification Board has Refused Classification<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>to several YouTube videos, which means the ultimate "high traffic site"<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>is on the blacklist even after Conroy has changed all the definitions.<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>And Mancer has said that high-traffic sites will blow his system's <O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>brains<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>out. Indeed, the failure mode is exactly the same (and for exactly the<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>same reason) as the IWF Wikipedia failure in the UK in early December.<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>Mancer's proposed solution is to whitelist high-traffic sites, so they <O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>won't<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>be blocked even if the Government insists that they must be.<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>So Exetel has had a "runaway success" in testing a system which cannot<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>satisfy the Government's requirements.<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>Can Exetel deploy Mancer's censorbox without a Government mandate to<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>deploy a voluntary filtering service in response to demand from their<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>customers? By all means, and more power to them. Hope it works out<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>for them.<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>But will that meet the dictates of the Government's stated policy?<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>Nope. They'll need another, untested censorbox to do that.<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE> - mark<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>--<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>Mark Newton Email: <A href="mailto:newton@internode.com.au" moz-do-not-send="true">newton@internode.com.au</A> <O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE> (W)<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>Network Engineer Email: <O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><A href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" moz-do-not-send="true">newton@atdot.dotat.org</A> (H)<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>Internode Pty Ltd Desk: +61-8-82282999<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>"Network Man" - Anagram of "Mark Newton" Mobile: +61-416-202-223<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE><O:P> </O:P></PRE><PRE>_______________________________________________<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE>AusNOG mailing list<O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><A href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net" moz-do-not-send="true">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</A><O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE><A href="http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog" moz-do-not-send="true">http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog</A><O:P></O:P></PRE><PRE> <O:P></O:P></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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