[AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange

[Bevan Slattery]

Skeeve,

If people are worried about PIPE peering in light of all that has been
said, then there's not much I can say beyond that other than the proof
will be in the pudding.

[b]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skeeve Stevens [mailto:Skeeve at eintellego.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 6:20 PM
> To: Bevan Slattery; ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: RE: Carrier Independent Peering Exchange
> 
> I'd like to thank Bevan for his ongoing commitment to the 
> industry - and putting his reputation on the line.  That is a 
> significant thing in this game - if your reputation means 
> much to you - which to you I think it does very much.
> 
> Thing is, while people love you Bevan, they don't 
> trust/like/respect TPG much at all.  Question is, what can 
> you do other than what you've said here that will have people 
> worrying less?
> 
> Maybe move Pipe peering to a separate entity with everyone 
> being an owner or something? I am not sure how much % of 
> Pipes overall revenue the Peering product is... maybe it is 
> significant, but if it isn't, maybe they'd entertain 
> divesting itself of it will make it more attractive?  It 
> certainly won't be worth much if other MLPA/BPA 
> infrastructures pop up and gain popularity.
> 
> Just tossing around ideas.  Other ideas on how Bevan/Pipe can 
> keep its peering product trusted?
> 
> --
> Skeeve Stevens, CEO/Technical Director
> eintellego Pty Ltd - The Networking Specialists 
> skeeve at eintellego.net / www.eintellego.net
> Phone: 1300 753 383, Fax: (+612) 8572 9954 Cell +61 (0)414 
> 753 383 / skype://skeeve www.linkedin.com/in/skeeve ; 
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> --
> NOC, NOC, who's there?
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog- 
> > bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Bevan Slattery
> > Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 12:19 PM
> > To: ausnog at ausnog.net
> > Subject: [AusNOG] Carrier Independent Peering Exchange
> > 
> > 
> > > Boo hiss to doing anything in an AAPT operated/owned DC.
> > 
> > And I think that's the cautionary tale that should be 
> remembered and 
> > one that PIPE brought to flashpoint.  PIPE had a torrid 
> time when the 
> > muppets in control of AAPT at the time decided to stop 
> 'peering' and 
> > competitive carriers from interconnecting/offering services 
> in their 
> > facilities.  We were happy to stay in their facilities, bring 
> > customers to them (via our DCI and dark fibre circuits) and 
> offer our 
> > IX services within their facilities.  AAPT in their ultimate wisdom 
> > turned against the industry and decided that a colo 
> customer can only 
> > buy their services yada-yada-yada.  All of us were happy to 
> pay to be 
> > in their DC's as long as they were reasonable, but of course, they 
> > were unreasonable.
> > 
> > Within 6 months everyone deserted the facilities and AAPT 
> found that 
> > they no longer had commercial relationships with much of 
> the industry 
> > and even worse, had to establish PoP's in numerous datacentres to 
> > service existing customers.  If it weren't for AAPT's 
> acquisition of 
> > Powertel, AAPT Wholesale, in my opinion, would have 
> withered and died.
> > A few years later, AAPT/Powertel have learnt their lessons and now 
> > offers some excellent wholesale services, particularly in the L2 
> > product suite.  Mind you they still have not been able to re-engage 
> > with a number of major accounts that were torched.
> > 
> > I can say that the management of PIPE and TPG are acutely 
> aware of the 
> > history of acquisitions and the lessons that have been 
> learnt.  Should 
> > the deal proceed, you will not find a reduction in 
> offerings or value, 
> > but an increase.  PIPE peering, DCI/Ethernet, colo are 
> expected to be 
> > expanded.  PIPE peering ain't going anywhere, anytime soon.
> > 
> > I'm staking my reputation on it.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > [b]
> > 
> > PS: PIPE will again be sponsoring Ausnog, Commsday etc. etc...
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