[AusNOG] List is now reply-to-sender

[Bevan Slattery]

Noel,
 
This list is a PIPE Networks list?  No. Steve and I created it.  We do
it in the interests of the community.  We don't get any commercial gain
by this.  After the failure of the previous efforts (such as Oz-ISP and
isp-Australia) to operate a list in a professional manner we decided to
pro-actively set up a list for operators. I went and organised the
domain name, Steve and I personally emailed and rang many, many people
who are, in our opinion the network elite in this country asking them to
subscribe so we could get critical mass on it to make it worthwhile.  We
used our commercial and personal contacts to create that nucleus.  The
success of the list is now merely because of the people who subscribe to
it.
 
The list doesn't mention anything about PIPE Networks, doesn't have any
relationship with PIPE.  PIPE Networks founders, founded this list.
PIPE does host it at no cost, but again, there is no recognition of this
fact.
 
Your assertions that David and I are dictatorial and not consultative in
our approach is way off the mark.  The fact we actually went to "reply
to list" in the first place is a testament to that.  The feedback from
people directly to David and myself and in particular their concerns
around someone potentially unintentionally making a statement or
disclosing personally/commercially sensitive information to the list due
to it's new configuration was a real concern.  We weighed this up and
provided an opportunity for people to 'violently object' and frankly
no-one provided a good enough reason other than "to many people in the
CC" line.  We made a change at peoples request and we felt it's benefit
was outweighed by the risk of unintentional disclosure.
 
If you are unhappy with the way we (as in David and I) operate it,
unsubscribe.  If you think you can do a better job start your own
'democratic' list whatever that maybe.
 
[b]
 
PS:  You must have forgotten to cc: the list on your response to me.
Knowing you wanted the list to see all replies I have responded to the
list for you.

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From: Noel Butler [mailto:noel.butler at ausics.net] 
Sent: Sunday, 9 August 2009 8:17 AM
To: Bevan Slattery
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] List is now reply-to-sender


On Sat, 2009-08-08 at 22:21 +1000, Bevan Slattery wrote: 

	Guys, 

	"1/ its not the way a good list is setup, despite your rantings"


	In my experience a good list is one where there are plenty of
good people who contribute their time and knowledge for the good of
participants.  We have that. 


no need to grasp for excuses for your decision, we know its a PIPE
networks list so what PIPE decides goes.



	Reply to sender is how this list operates (as it has for the
majority of it's life).  Time to move on I think. 


David asks for opinions, then you and he decide on your own  "stuff what
the list membership wants" (given the vast majority responding in that
thread all supported reply-to list).. 
well good to know there no such thing as a democracy on ausnog,  thats
my final word on it. 


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