[AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane

Tue Oct 10 11:42:10 EST 2006

Skeeve,

I am really disappointed by your response to the list mainly because I
have probably spent more time and given more insight to you than anyone
about this.  If you haven't got the clue to take the cue from people
such as Internode, PIPE, Powertel, Comindico etc. who are well connected
within the industry and I think quite well respected then I think that
starts to reflect on your credibility.

I'm actually really annoyed that you seem to indicate that "PIPE is
harming their customers".  Quite frankly if this wasn't an open list I
would tell you where to go.  But I'm happy for you to call me and I'll
make sure you know the direction.

People who I respect and respect me in the industry know exactly what's
going on.  I think it's time you wake up and smell the coffee.
[b]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2006 11:09 AM
> To: 'John Lindsay'; 'Jacques Kosky'
> Cc: aussie-isp at taz.net.au; ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane
> 
> 
> Hey John,
> 
> 	AAPT are apparently installing a PoP down at 
> Globalswitch and it should be ready in the next month or two.
> 
> 	At the moment I don't know if Pipe or AAPT are 
> completely innocent in this mess.. There is a lot of 
> schoolyard crap going on.  AAPT's legal department is 
> certainly doing the speaking, which in my opinion is hurting 
> them more than anything else since this people aren't 
> considering the industry, or how they will be perceived in it.
> 
> 	The two key parts I see in this dispute are Colo and 
> Interconnection.
> 
> 	Re Colo - AAPT have the right to tell people who are 
> only using colo to get out of their DC's.  It's always been 
> known (at least, I knew it) that if you didn't buy bandwidth 
> or other services from them, you weren't allowed to colo 
> there.  They are apparently really short on space and want to 
> push people out the door who don't buy other things off of them.
> 
> 	Re Interconnection - The issues with Pipe/PowerTel and 
> others, I believe that AAPT have the right to do what they 
> are doing as they own the DC.  The reason what they are doing 
> is wrong, is that they allowed the attitude/position of 
> 'Carrier Neutral' to foster of many years and in essence they 
> have brought this situation upon themselves.  Changing the 
> rules suddenly is their prerogative, but, I personally 
> believe it is probably for reasons which have not come to 
> light very clearly.
> 
> 	My belief is that AAPT is more upset with PowerTel than Pipe.
> PowerTel are very similar to AAPT in their market offerings 
> and PowerTel selling services to customers in AAPT DC's was 
> attacking their bottom line directly.  I suspect this has 
> irritated AAPT and caused them to have a change of attitude 
> which other people like Pipe have been caught up in as you 
> can't really apply to rules to one and not all.
> 
> 	I don't think there will be issues buying Optus 
> services in AAPT facilities as I believe Optus do have a 
> facilities agreement with AAPT for the provision of services.
> 
> 	My personal issue with this whole mess is that Pipe is 
> pulling out at the end of October.  AAPT says (but has yet to 
> put it in writing) that they offered Pipe January 31st (or 
> something like it). I wish both parties would stop punishing 
> their customers as they are the ones who are going to be most 
> hurt out of this fight.
> 
> 	Right now, they are both seriously pissed off at each 
> other and getting them to talk and extend these dates seems 
> to be difficult.
> 
> ...Skeeve 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net 
> [mailto:ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net] On Behalf Of John Lindsay
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2006 10:45 AM
> To: Jacques Kosky
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane
> 
> AAPT are unhappy about allowing other carriers providing 
> services to AAPT's customers (and those customer's customers).
> 
> What this means is if you colo at AAPT and want to use Pipe 
> or even Optus to get a circuit to somewhere else you have a problem.
> 
> In my humble opinion getting the hell out of AAPT colos is a 
> very sensible action.  It is not a suitable place to be 
> unless you are a 100% AAPT customer.  Since AAPT's can't 
> reach places like GlobalSwitch in Sydney on their network 
> you're pretty much stuffed if you want to do anything smart.
> 
> AAPT have kicked Internode/Agile (that's us) out of their 
> facilities in no uncertain terms.  Several AAPT customers who 
> are also Internode customers have followed us out.
> 
> jsl
> 
> (sent from my shell account from a hotel room with 
> insufficient bandwidth)
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Jacques Kosky wrote:
> 
> > Hi Folks
> > We have just been informed that due to changes in the AAPT 
> co-location 
> > policy that Access Wireless will be pulling out of AAPT at 
> 530 Collins 
> > St Melbourne. Can anyone out there give me a heads up (off 
> list if you
> like.
> > All discretion and privacy offered) about exactly what AAPT 
> are up to?
> >
> > I have always lived by the rule of knowing when to get out of Dodge 
> > and secondly how to get out of Dodge. Any recommendations 
> for a decent 
> > carrier neutral data center in  Melbourne CBD or close by 
> gratefully 
> > received. Must have access to Uecomm, Powertel, Telstra, Pipe, 
> > Macquarie
> and Access Wireless.
> >
> > Its not a move I take lightly but its good to have a backup 
> plan or three.
> >
> > Apologies for cross posting. It just that electrons are expensive 
> > these days. :-) _______________________________________
> > Jacques Kosky
> > Senior Network Administrator
> > Community Technology Services - State Library of Victoria
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