[AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane

Tue Oct 10 11:24:57 EST 2006

Reality check here lads...

Carriers in Australia have the right to enter land and install
facilities for the purposes of providing carriage services to end users
providing they are of a low impact nature. That is called the LAW.

The land owner/occupier can object on certain grounds. The carrier has
no obligation to change their activity based on that objection for many
reasons - one of those pertains to financial unviability. 

All carriers are governed by this. Some realise it soon, other will -
later.

SB

> I don't think anyone denies that AAPT have the right to do 
> what they're
> doing - that's all well and good.
> 
> At the end of the day though, it's just a PITA. Customers in AAPT's
> facilities are being forced out with very little notice, and as you
> mentioned, I suspect that at the end of the day it's going to do more
> harm than good.
> 
> Powertel are going to compete with AAPT whether they like it 
> or not. Why
> not take a little cash from them on the side in the process?
> 
> JB
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skeeve Stevens [mailto:skeeve at skeeve.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2006 9:09 AM
> To: 'John Lindsay'; 'Jacques Kosky'
> Cc: aussie-isp at taz.net.au; ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane
> 
> 
> Hey John,
> 
> 	AAPT are apparently installing a PoP down at Globalswitch and it
> should be ready in the next month or two.
> 
> 	At the moment I don't know if Pipe or AAPT are completely
> innocent
> in this mess.. There is a lot of schoolyard crap going on.  
> AAPT's legal
> department is certainly doing the speaking, which in my opinion is
> hurting
> them more than anything else since this people aren't considering the
> industry, or how they will be perceived in it.
> 
> 	The two key parts I see in this dispute are Colo and
> Interconnection.
> 
> 	Re Colo - AAPT have the right to tell people who are only using
> colo
> to get out of their DC's.  It's always been known (at least, 
> I knew it)
> that
> if you didn't buy bandwidth or other services from them, you weren't
> allowed
> to colo there.  They are apparently really short on space and want to
> push
> people out the door who don't buy other things off of them.
> 
> 	Re Interconnection - The issues with Pipe/PowerTel and others, I
> believe that AAPT have the right to do what they are doing as they own
> the
> DC.  The reason what they are doing is wrong, is that they allowed the
> attitude/position of 'Carrier Neutral' to foster of many years and in
> essence they have brought this situation upon themselves.  
> Changing the
> rules suddenly is their prerogative, but, I personally believe it is
> probably for reasons which have not come to light very clearly.
> 
> 	My belief is that AAPT is more upset with PowerTel than Pipe.
> PowerTel are very similar to AAPT in their market offerings 
> and PowerTel
> selling services to customers in AAPT DC's was attacking their bottom
> line
> directly.  I suspect this has irritated AAPT and caused them to have a
> change of attitude which other people like Pipe have been caught up in
> as
> you can't really apply to rules to one and not all.
> 
> 	I don't think there will be issues buying Optus services in AAPT
> facilities as I believe Optus do have a facilities agreement with AAPT
> for
> the provision of services.
> 
> 	My personal issue with this whole mess is that Pipe is pulling
> out
> at the end of October.  AAPT says (but has yet to put it in writing)
> that
> they offered Pipe January 31st (or something like it). I wish both
> parties
> would stop punishing their customers as they are the ones who 
> are going
> to
> be most hurt out of this fight.
> 
> 	Right now, they are both seriously pissed off at each other and
> getting them to talk and extend these dates seems to be difficult.
> 
> ...Skeeve 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net [mailto:ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net] On
> Behalf
> Of John Lindsay
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2006 10:45 AM
> To: Jacques Kosky
> Cc: ausnog at ausnog.net
> Subject: RE: [AusNOG] Datacenters Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane
> 
> AAPT are unhappy about allowing other carriers providing services to
> AAPT's
> customers (and those customer's customers).
> 
> What this means is if you colo at AAPT and want to use Pipe or even
> Optus to
> get a circuit to somewhere else you have a problem.
> 
> In my humble opinion getting the hell out of AAPT colos is a very
> sensible
> action.  It is not a suitable place to be unless you are a 100% AAPT
> customer.  Since AAPT's can't reach places like GlobalSwitch in Sydney
> on
> their network you're pretty much stuffed if you want to do anything
> smart.
> 
> AAPT have kicked Internode/Agile (that's us) out of their 
> facilities in
> no
> uncertain terms.  Several AAPT customers who are also Internode
> customers
> have followed us out.
> 
> jsl
> 
> (sent from my shell account from a hotel room with insufficient
> bandwidth)
> 
> 
> On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, Jacques Kosky wrote:
> 
> > Hi Folks
> > We have just been informed that due to changes in the AAPT 
> co-location
> 
> > policy that Access Wireless will be pulling out of AAPT at 
> 530 Collins
> 
> > St Melbourne. Can anyone out there give me a heads up (off 
> list if you
> like.
> > All discretion and privacy offered) about exactly what AAPT 
> are up to?
> >
> > I have always lived by the rule of knowing when to get out of Dodge 
> > and secondly how to get out of Dodge. Any recommendations 
> for a decent
> 
> > carrier neutral data center in  Melbourne CBD or close by 
> gratefully 
> > received. Must have access to Uecomm, Powertel, Telstra, Pipe,
> Macquarie
> and Access Wireless.
> >
> > Its not a move I take lightly but its good to have a backup plan or
> three.
> >
> > Apologies for cross posting. It just that electrons are expensive 
> > these days. :-) _______________________________________
> > Jacques Kosky
> > Senior Network Administrator
> > Community Technology Services - State Library of Victoria
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