[AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?

Paul Wilkins paulwilkins369 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 21 16:35:58 EST 2019

I'm kind of surprised there isn't more of this, people building their own 2
or authentication services. I'd kind of assumed the obstacle being
negotiating SMPP telco access, leaving it to Google & Microsoft and a few
others who have the market clout to actually get access.

It's super drole that for whatever billions have been invested globally in
internet security products, having a CLID tied to a physical line offers a
level of security that's both physical and out of band, that's unattainable
with SHA/PKI/DH etc up to your eye balls.

The advantage of CLID over SMS being you can make the process hands free
and accessible through a serial port. Offer an accessible way to
authenticate against a CLID, and the business model looks increasingly less
crazy and more something useful to do with your time.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 21:30, Tom Storey <tom at snnap.net> wrote:

> I did something similar at home a couple of years ago, using some Cisco
> routers, a bunch of BRI/PRI VIC/VWIC/NM modules and an NM-30DM. I got good
> old fasioned "56K" dialup working, but there was so much chatter from
> modern web based services that it was useless for loading websites, and
> even after I shut Chrome down it was still useless so maybe even modern
> OSes are too chatty?
> My setup was something like an 1800 with an external dialup modem on the
> AUX port connected to a 3800 with an FXS (or was it FXO, I keep getting
> those two confused) VIC, VWIC'd via E1 over to another 3800 with a PRI NM
> and terminating on the NM-30DM. I'd also attempted to get ISDN working, but
> it seems that the combination of ISDN WIC/V(W)IC cards I used werent
> capable of exchanging data calls.
> Maybe my setup wasnt 100% quite right, I got bored after some days of
> debugging failed ISDN data calls and packed it all away. Maybe I'd give it
> another shot if I could figure out how to get ISDN going. :-)
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 00:00, Rob Thomas <xrobau at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a
>> RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020.
>> So I'm going to do it.
>> To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay
>> 5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now
>> worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home.
>> If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because
>> I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it
>> up then!
>> If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices
>> were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at
>> it, basically.
>> --Rob
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