[AusNOG] Anyone have any ancient Bay 5000/5399's lying around?

James Hodgkinson yaleman at ricetek.net
Sat Sep 21 18:37:50 EST 2019

It's probably related to the fact that people being in the one place all the time is hilariously rare, and portable solutions that provide secure MFA don't have all the interoperability and other downsides.

There's probably five "desk phones" in my entire organisation, and they're VOIP teleconference systems.


On Sat, 21 Sep 2019, at 16:35, Paul Wilkins wrote:
> I'm kind of surprised there isn't more of this, people building their own 2 fact
> or authentication services. I'd kind of assumed the obstacle being negotiating SMPP telco access, leaving it to Google & Microsoft and a few others who have the market clout to actually get access.
> It's super drole that for whatever billions have been invested globally in internet security products, having a CLID tied to a physical line offers a level of security that's both physical and out of band, that's unattainable with SHA/PKI/DH etc up to your eye balls.
> The advantage of CLID over SMS being you can make the process hands free and accessible through a serial port. Offer an accessible way to authenticate against a CLID, and the business model looks increasingly less crazy and more something useful to do with your time.
> Kind regards
> Paul Wilkins
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 21:30, Tom Storey <tom at snnap.net> wrote:
>> I did something similar at home a couple of years ago, using some Cisco routers, a bunch of BRI/PRI VIC/VWIC/NM modules and an NM-30DM. I got good old fasioned "56K" dialup working, but there was so much chatter from modern web based services that it was useless for loading websites, and even after I shut Chrome down it was still useless so maybe even modern OSes are too chatty?
>> My setup was something like an 1800 with an external dialup modem on the AUX port connected to a 3800 with an FXS (or was it FXO, I keep getting those two confused) VIC, VWIC'd via E1 over to another 3800 with a PRI NM and terminating on the NM-30DM. I'd also attempted to get ISDN working, but it seems that the combination of ISDN WIC/V(W)IC cards I used werent capable of exchanging data calls.
>> Maybe my setup wasnt 100% quite right, I got bored after some days of debugging failed ISDN data calls and packed it all away. Maybe I'd give it another shot if I could figure out how to get ISDN going. :-)
>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 at 00:00, Rob Thomas <xrobau at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I was reminiscing on derpbook, and realised that it would be a
>>>  RIDICULOUSLY insane idea to try to recreate a 56k dialup ISP in 2020.
>>>  So I'm going to do it.
>>>  To further this plan, I'm hoping that someone has some old Bay
>>>  5000/5399's lying around that they paid megabucks for and are now
>>>  worth less than nothing, that they want to donate to a good home.
>>>  If one happens to be in Brisbane, that would be even better, because
>>>  I'm heading down there for Comicon this weekend, and I could pick it
>>>  up then!
>>>  If not, maybe some old Cisco devices? Or whatever those TNT devices
>>>  were? Something that takes a PRI in one end and makes modem sounds at
>>>  it, basically.
>>>  --Rob
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