[AusNOG] Sysadmin opportunities in Melbourne?

[Giles Pollock]

As a previously unemployed youth, I completely agree! The issue is pretty
multi-faceted though. On one side the employers have no incentive to employ
and train up young inexperienced kids, while on another they continue to
bleat about a skills shortage in IT in general, which can only be fixed via
457s.

I've long argued that any IT skills shortage that exists can be rectified
by providing the appropriate incentives to employ and more importantly,
train existing locals. There are more than enough people out there, but
they are not being considered for roles as they aren't able to tick the
right boxes when the job is sourced to the market.

In part I also blame what I call an 'instant gratification' attitude (on
all sides). This can be seen in new young employees who expect to be CEO in
a few years (and are already practicing the attitude), and in employers who
expect 10 years experience on systems/software that has only existed for
three years, and to get it with no need for training or remunerating
appropriately.

To those out there looking for jobs and getting no results, don't lose
hope. There is a LOT of competition! I must have applied for hundreds of
jobs, in many cases I was up against hundreds of other applicants. Stick
with it and keep trying. Once you are in the door for an interview is your
opportunity to really show what you can do and more importantly, what you
can learn to do.

To those out there looking for new employees, don't forget that it is not
all about ticking boxes. You might have an applicant who hasn't had
experience in product A, but has spent the last 10 years working on
something in a different field which requires a very similar skillset. Most
people can learn, so it shouldn't be all about what pieces of industry
paper they claim to have. Figure out what kind of person you want for a
role before deciding on what they should already claim to know, and more
importantly make that clear in the advertisements you post on job boards!


On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:24 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
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> The min wage here is $16.88 per hour (unless it's gone up again in the
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> wage is $40k per annum (once you add super, leave loading, sick pay, public
> holidays, 4 weeks holidays, paid carers leave & other entitlements in)
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> something needs to change & unfortunately the current Gov doesn't have any
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Giles
> Pollock
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 January 2015 11:19 AM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
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> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sysadmin opportunities in Melbourne?
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> Minimum wage in Australia for tech jobs? Last time I checked the
> contractor rates for a service desk analyst were A$12.50 (if you were
> lucky)... Yes, you can get more working on a checkout (assuming they have
> not been replaced with self-checkouts)
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> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
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> http://www.foxbusiness.com/on-air/stossel/blog/2012/07/13/australian-minimum-wage-myth
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> The unseen consequences of minimum wage laws are the millions of poor,
> disadvantaged people who don't have job opportunities. In the United
> States, it hurts poor people and inner-city minorities
> <http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2011/05/11/minimum_wages_discriminatory_effects>.
> In Australia, it hurts young workers
> <http://www.smh.com.au/business/young-workers-hit-by-rising-unemployment-20120124-1qevx.html>
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> Australia is an example of how minimum wage helps some groups, and hurts
> others. Even in a good economy, the young, inexperienced workers are left
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Scott
> Howard
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 January 2015 11:02 AM
> *To:* Paul Wallace
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Sysadmin opportunities in Melbourne?
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> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Paul Wallace <paul.wallace at mtgi.com.au>
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> Kids find it hard to get jobs today because Australia enforces a min wage
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> And now Tony Abbott is too scared to look at HR reform for fear the Labour
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> Minimum wage in San Francisco - US$11.05, or around A$13.63
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> Minimum wage in Sydney - A$16.87 (for someone over 21).
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> Higher?  Yes.  Double?  Not even close.
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> Yes, other parts of the US may be lower, but the movement is towards
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