[AusNOG] IPv4

Skeeve Stevens skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com
Sun Mar 3 22:04:08 EST 2013

Because, like most people, he is thinking only about himself and how hard
done he is being done by.

I far more care about developing nations... look at India.  About 20
million internet users... and hoping to get to 100 million in the next two
years.  Users in China having to 're-connect' to try and get a real IP
address. How the hell are they going to make it happen?  But do you know
what... they WILL, and without too much whinging.

This is akin you you complaining you don't have enough to eat when people
are starving overseas.  Really? Get over yourself and suck it up princess.

You have SO much more potential and ability to come up with creative and
innovative solutions to deal with these situations compared to dozens of
other countries who are struggling with sub-standard infrastructure. You
can afford the equipment and expertise they can only dream of.

I have 7 engineers in Cambodia who work for me.  They live, learn and work
on Australia/Western quality networks. I've trained them up to be the best
engineers in the country. Under my direction, they also donate time in
Cambodia helping KHNOG get started, help ISOC-KH happen, involved in
Barcamps, do training for free at schools like Passerelles Numeriques (
http://www.passerellesnumeriques.org/cambodge/) who train orphans and the
poor into becoming engineers (I've hired 4 of them!).  I've shipped dozens
of peices of equipment to the country to donate to local Cisco training
schools and other places. I also allocate my staffs time to helping
engineers at all the ISPs in Cambodia get better at what they do - because
they very little options to learn how.

I HELP the developing world better its infrastructure... I've put my effort
and my money where my mouth is - What the hell do you do Jared? Or for that
matter, you Bevan, whose squillions could make a HUGE difference... or is
there things you've been doing that I don't know?  I don't have much, but I
give a lot... how many people here have a lot and don't even give a cent?!



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On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>wrote:

> It was depleted over 5 years ago.. Why do you think you deserve space any
> more than they do? I'd argue using IPs for cheap VPS etc is almost as bad
> as having the IPs routed but not actually past the gateway. In both cases
> were the cost $10/IP/mo neither business would be that wasteful, or they'd
> just be on v6.
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Jared Hirst <
> jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:
>> +1 to this!
>> As I said before, I only came into the industry 3 years ago for IP space
>> and now I am suffering because others are ‘nesting’ on it rather than
>> handing it back, it’s a shame that so many people have the attitude to just
>> ‘shun’ people like me that are young, have a successful business and did
>> not have the chance to get more space before it was ‘depleted’ to other
>> larger providers or other providers that didn’t really need space but got
>> it anyway. I was not trying to rant before and people really took me out of
>> context and smashed me for no reason, so I am glad someone has put it in a
>> nice long email to be clear. Thanks Bevan!
>> *From: *Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
>> *Date: *Sunday, 3 March 2013 8:04 PM
>> *To: *Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au>
>> *Cc: *"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
>> *Resent-From: *Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>
>> "Basically yes.  But get over it."
>> Sorry Skeeve, but that's a disgraceful attitude.  Many on this list seems
>> to think "we're so freakin' smart we went ahead and gorged ourselves on IP
>> addresses to the detriment of the global community and now we are making a
>> motza from it.  Sucks to be you for not seeing this coming".
>> Well here's the news flash – everyone who thinks themselves soooo clever
>> and smug are frankly obtuse and their level of arrogance disgusts me.  You
>> think everyone without IPv4 space has only themselves to blame – remarks
>> that seem to be coming from middle aged people working for providers
>> greater than 5 years old in a developed economy who have been in the
>> industry for years.
>> So Skeeve and others, I'd like to go to Iraq, or Afghanistan or Somalia
>> and tell them that they have no address space and sucks to be them because
>> they were too stupid not to see the IPv4 coming. Disregard that it's mainly
>> because they were too busy fighting a war, trying to find food for their
>> family or too busy walking kilometres to go to a mud hut with a chalk board
>> for a "iPad" 5 years ago.
>> Or how about you go visit people in China and India who have
>> 2,000,000,000 people trying to lift themselves out of some of the lowest
>> wages ever and despite being so desperate to get connected to the internet
>> to find their way to "freedom" and information – yes – freedom and
>> information you know that thing the internet provides (?) and let them know
>> they've despite having 1/3 of the worlds population you're getting shafted
>> because the Shinhwa news agency didn't let them know there was an IPv4
>> crunch coming.  Dare you to put an ad in the paper and invite all those
>> Chinese people to who can't connect to come down the "the square" to talk
>> to you about why they can't.
>> While you're at it, go into a tech incubator or anyone who is in their
>> late teens/early 20's who dare to do what we do and start an ISP and tell
>> them "sucks to be you – I've effectively lied my ass off to APNIC and the
>> other RIR's to get my hands on a life supply of IPv4 and relied on their
>> pathetic IPv4 management systems to starve your hard earned start up
>> dollars and your future while I make huge $$ because I have no conscience!
>> ".
>> So the plan seems to be "we're going to screw the youth/up and coming
>> countries and developing countries and sell our IP's to them and IPv6 isn't
>> going to get traction until they are bleeding out of their noses and they
>> die on the floor.  Sanctioned extortion effectively.  We're putting a price
>> on their future and freedom.  How smart are we."
>> The hubris and arrogance here simply disgusts me and even worse, those
>> that lied their ass off to steal more addresses than they needed are now
>> playing mercenary to the future development of our youth or developing
>> countries.  What makes it worse It's coming from people who are involved in
>> the RIR's and the lack of compassion and disdain being displayed is frankly
>> beneath what the internet community is all about.
>> I expected a lot more from a lot of middle aged people who were all young
>> once and were given a chance.  Screw your arrogance and hubris.  Get your
>> head out of your arses and travel the world and see what the power and
>> freedom the internet and IPv4 provides – at least for the next 5 years and
>> remember that you too were young once and that the only reason your so
>> god-damn smart is because he you managed to fallout of a womans uterus in a
>> lucky country.
>> If you can't read between the lines call me and I'll make it very clear
>> how pathetic your attitude is.
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