Because, like most people, he is thinking only about himself and how hard done he is being done by.<div><br></div><div>I far more care about developing nations... look at India. About 20 million internet users... and hoping to get to 100 million in the next two years. Users in China having to 're-connect' to try and get a real IP address. How the hell are they going to make it happen? But do you know what... they WILL, and without too much whinging.</div>
<div><br></div><div>This is akin you you complaining you don't have enough to eat when people are starving overseas. Really? Get over yourself and suck it up princess.</div><div><br></div><div>You have SO much more potential and ability to come up with creative and innovative solutions to deal with these situations compared to dozens of other countries who are struggling with sub-standard infrastructure. You can afford the equipment and expertise they can only dream of.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I have 7 engineers in Cambodia who work for me. They live, learn and work on Australia/Western quality networks. I've trained them up to be the best engineers in the country. Under my direction, they also donate time in Cambodia helping KHNOG get started, help ISOC-KH happen, involved in Barcamps, do training for free at schools like Passerelles Numeriques (<a href="http://www.passerellesnumeriques.org/cambodge/">http://www.passerellesnumeriques.org/cambodge/</a>) who train orphans and the poor into becoming engineers (I've hired 4 of them!). I've shipped dozens of peices of equipment to the country to donate to local Cisco training schools and other places. I also allocate my staffs time to helping engineers at all the ISPs in Cambodia get better at what they do - because they very little options to learn how.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I HELP the developing world better its infrastructure... I've put my effort and my money where my mouth is - What the hell do you do Jared? Or for that matter, you Bevan, whose squillions could make a HUGE difference... or is there things you've been doing that I don't know? I don't have much, but I give a lot... how many people here have a lot and don't even give a cent?!</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Joshua D'Alton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
It was depleted over 5 years ago.. Why do you think you deserve space any more than they do? I'd argue using IPs for cheap VPS etc is almost as bad as having the IPs routed but not actually past the gateway. In both cases were the cost $10/IP/mo neither business would be that wasteful, or they'd just be on v6.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Jared Hirst <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">+1 to this!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As I said before, I only came into the industry 3 years ago for IP space and now I am suffering because others are ‘nesting’ on it rather than handing it back, it’s a shame that so many people have the attitude to just ‘shun’ people like me that are young, have a successful business and did not have the chance to get more space before it was ‘depleted’ to other larger providers or other providers that didn’t really need space but got it anyway. I was not trying to rant before and people really took me out of context and smashed me for no reason, so I am glad someone has put it in a nice long email to be clear. Thanks Bevan!</span></p>
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</div><div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Sunday, 3 March 2013 8:04 PM<br><b>To: </b>Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au" target="_blank">Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] IPv4<br><b>Resent-From: </b>Bevan Slattery <<a href="mailto:bevan.slattery@nextdc.com" target="_blank">bevan.slattery@nextdc.com</a>></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">"Basically yes. But get over it." </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sorry Skeeve, but that's a disgraceful attitude. Many on this list seems to think "we're so freakin' smart we went ahead and gorged ourselves on IP addresses to the detriment of the global community and now we are making a motza from it. Sucks to be you for not seeing this coming".</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Well here's the news flash – everyone who thinks themselves soooo clever and smug are frankly obtuse and their level of arrogance disgusts me. You think everyone without IPv4 space has only themselves to blame – remarks that seem to be coming from middle aged people working for providers greater than 5 years old in a developed economy who have been in the industry for years.</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So Skeeve and others, I'd like to go to Iraq, or Afghanistan or Somalia and tell them that they have no address space and sucks to be them because they were too stupid not to see the IPv4 coming. Disregard that it's mainly because they were too busy fighting a war, trying to find food for their family or too busy walking kilometres to go to a mud hut with a chalk board for a "iPad" 5 years ago.</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Or how about you go visit people in China and India who have 2,000,000,000 people trying to lift themselves out of some of the lowest wages ever and despite being so desperate to get connected to the internet to find their way to "freedom" and information – yes – freedom and information you know that thing the internet provides (?) and let them know they've despite having 1/3 of the worlds population you're getting shafted because the Shinhwa news agency didn't let them know there was an IPv4 crunch coming. Dare you to put an ad in the paper and invite all those Chinese people to who can't connect to come down the "the square" to talk to you about why they can't.</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">While you're at it, go into a tech incubator or anyone who is in their late teens/early 20's who dare to do what we do and start an ISP and tell them "sucks to be you – I've effectively lied my ass off to APNIC and the other RIR's to get my hands on a life supply of IPv4 and relied on their pathetic IPv4 management systems to starve your hard earned start up dollars and your future while I make huge $$ because I have no conscience! ".</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So the plan seems to be "we're going to screw the youth/up and coming countries and developing countries and sell our IP's to them and IPv6 isn't going to get traction until they are bleeding out of their noses and they die on the floor. Sanctioned extortion effectively. We're putting a price on their future and freedom. How smart are we."</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The hubris and arrogance here simply disgusts me and even worse, those that lied their ass off to steal more addresses than they needed are now playing mercenary to the future development of our youth or developing countries. What makes it worse It's coming from people who are involved in the RIR's and the lack of compassion and disdain being displayed is frankly beneath what the internet community is all about.</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I expected a lot more from a lot of middle aged people who were all young once and were given a chance. Screw your arrogance and hubris. Get your head out of your arses and travel the world and see what the power and freedom the internet and IPv4 provides – at least for the next 5 years and remember that you too were young once and that the only reason your so god-damn smart is because he you managed to fallout of a womans uterus in a lucky country.</span></p>
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