jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au
Sun Mar 3 21:53:51 EST 2013
I was not even given a option for v6 3 years ago when I joined APNIC…. So I
am unsure how v4 was gone 5 years ago, if it was then new players should
have been educated and forced to take and use v6 3 years ago… instead there
has been no forced take up?
Giving an IP for a VPS is the same as a $19 DSL from Telstra or Dodo…. So
don’t try and stab at me for using IP’s. We also like you charge $5/ month
/ IP to restrict IP wastage and to cover the need to buy more when we need
I am not saying I deserve the space, I am saying there is more than likely
a few hundred people that NEED space and cannot get it because others are
holding onto it. I can afford to buy it, others can’t and they then miss
Anyway, going round in circles, so going I’m to bed and will ‘get over it’
as most people have mentioned, nothing can be done and we need to move
on JI’ll do just that.
*From:* ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net [mailto:
ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Joshua D'Alton
*Sent:* Sunday, March 03, 2013 9:48 PM
*To:* AusNOG at lists.ausnog.net
*Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
It was depleted over 5 years ago.. Why do you think you deserve space any
more than they do? I'd argue using IPs for cheap VPS etc is almost as bad
as having the IPs routed but not actually past the gateway. In both cases
were the cost $10/IP/mo neither business would be that wasteful, or they'd
just be on v6.
On Sun, Mar 3, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Jared Hirst <
jared.hirst at serversaustralia.com.au> wrote:
+1 to this!
As I said before, I only came into the industry 3 years ago for IP space
and now I am suffering because others are ‘nesting’ on it rather than
handing it back, it’s a shame that so many people have the attitude to just
‘shun’ people like me that are young, have a successful business and did
not have the chance to get more space before it was ‘depleted’ to other
larger providers or other providers that didn’t really need space but got
it anyway. I was not trying to rant before and people really took me out of
context and smashed me for no reason, so I am glad someone has put it in a
nice long email to be clear. Thanks Bevan!
*From: *Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
*Date: *Sunday, 3 March 2013 8:04 PM
*To: *Nathan Brookfield <Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au>
*Cc: *"ausnog at lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
*Subject: *Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
*Resent-From: *Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>
"Basically yes. But get over it."
Sorry Skeeve, but that's a disgraceful attitude. Many on this list seems
to think "we're so freakin' smart we went ahead and gorged ourselves on IP
addresses to the detriment of the global community and now we are making a
motza from it. Sucks to be you for not seeing this coming".
Well here's the news flash – everyone who thinks themselves soooo clever
and smug are frankly obtuse and their level of arrogance disgusts me. You
think everyone without IPv4 space has only themselves to blame – remarks
that seem to be coming from middle aged people working for providers
greater than 5 years old in a developed economy who have been in the
industry for years.
So Skeeve and others, I'd like to go to Iraq, or Afghanistan or Somalia and
tell them that they have no address space and sucks to be them because they
were too stupid not to see the IPv4 coming. Disregard that it's mainly
because they were too busy fighting a war, trying to find food for their
family or too busy walking kilometres to go to a mud hut with a chalk board
for a "iPad" 5 years ago.
Or how about you go visit people in China and India who have 2,000,000,000
people trying to lift themselves out of some of the lowest wages ever and
despite being so desperate to get connected to the internet to find their
way to "freedom" and information – yes – freedom and information you know
that thing the internet provides (?) and let them know they've despite
having 1/3 of the worlds population you're getting shafted because the
Shinhwa news agency didn't let them know there was an IPv4 crunch coming.
Dare you to put an ad in the paper and invite all those Chinese people to
who can't connect to come down the "the square" to talk to you about why
While you're at it, go into a tech incubator or anyone who is in their late
teens/early 20's who dare to do what we do and start an ISP and tell them
"sucks to be you – I've effectively lied my ass off to APNIC and the other
RIR's to get my hands on a life supply of IPv4 and relied on their pathetic
IPv4 management systems to starve your hard earned start up dollars and
your future while I make huge $$ because I have no conscience! ".
So the plan seems to be "we're going to screw the youth/up and coming
countries and developing countries and sell our IP's to them and IPv6 isn't
going to get traction until they are bleeding out of their noses and they
die on the floor. Sanctioned extortion effectively. We're putting a price
on their future and freedom. How smart are we."
The hubris and arrogance here simply disgusts me and even worse, those that
lied their ass off to steal more addresses than they needed are now playing
mercenary to the future development of our youth or developing countries.
What makes it worse It's coming from people who are involved in the RIR's
and the lack of compassion and disdain being displayed is frankly beneath
what the internet community is all about.
I expected a lot more from a lot of middle aged people who were all young
once and were given a chance. Screw your arrogance and hubris. Get your
head out of your arses and travel the world and see what the power and
freedom the internet and IPv4 provides – at least for the next 5 years and
remember that you too were young once and that the only reason your so
god-damn smart is because he you managed to fallout of a womans uterus in a
If you can't read between the lines call me and I'll make it very clear how
pathetic your attitude is.
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