[AusNOG] IPv4

Joshua D'Alton joshua at railgun.com.au
Sat Mar 2 18:20:10 EST 2013

Cheers Bevan

The solution to 1. is to charge full economic prices for things, that will
hit people where their hearts are; their wallets. You could even do it like
the fee added on when you get your car serviced "oil disposal".. instead it
would be "IPv4 provisioning" or something like that.

If all the drug dealers in "The Wire" could get together and sort out there
minor problems for a massive gain in cooperative bargaining, then while it
is a TV show, perhaps we can aspire to do the same thing.

I'm not proposing serversaustralia and ozservers and nextDC be the only
ones to stick their necks out, but I don't think it would be seen as
conspiracy or market manipulation by the government were they to get
together and work out a plan that would see them all through the next 5
years of transition. The reverse way of dealing it would be to discount
services that operate on IPv6-only, that might have less of an impact on
the customer.

Of course, that would actually require the cost of IPv4 going up, not down
like it has in this case. Still, if companies were made to pay 10x what
they are now for ip space, they might consider the current pain vs future
pain equation to start weighing heavily in the now.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Bevan Slattery <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com>wrote:

>  Thanks for the reply Joshua.  The issues in my mind are:
>  1.  Lack of education and awareness with end-users
> 2.  Lack of a coherent and seamless migration strategy (including tools)
> not just for industry/network operators but also for end-users
> 3.  Poor management of limited resources (IP addresses)
>  How can we expect users to plan for migration if the people who operate
> the networks themselves can't even articulate first what the problem is and
> secondly how to solve it?
>  So unless us as an industry come up with a solution 2) and communicate
> 1) then all we have to rely on is efficient resource management 3).
>  [b]
>   From: Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au>
> Date: Saturday, 2 March 2013 3:52 PM
> To: "ausnog at ausnog.net" <ausnog at ausnog.net>
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
> Resent-From: Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>
>  The unsaid thing here seems to be the cost, to the company, to the
> customers, to whoever.
>  I'd suggest that businesses that operate on low margins are always going
> to feel more threatened when their business model comes under attack, but
> that is their cross to bear not the internet communities'.
>  When you have providers selling virtual servers for $5/month, dedicated
> IP/hosting for $3/month, dedicated servers for $99/month and so on, you
> start to have complaints from people who can't afford to role out IPv6, or
> are worried about losing their customer base if they try pass on some of
> the costs to them. Sure there are lots of companies complaining who do
> operate on high margins, and people on low margins not complaining, but
> they aren't the ones with a fundamental business model problem.
>  It seems people have made their beds, and as painful as it is, they are
> going to have to sleep in them. The people still playing pass the parcel
> with this ticking time bomb when it goes off are going to take a far larger
> hit in 5 years than if they bite the bullet now and get IPv6 ready. And
> conversely, they are paying a much higher price now than they would have
> even 5 years ago.
>  People complain about software not working properly with IPv6, well it
> might have been time to kick up a fuss about that 10 years ago, not in 5
> years time and still expect something to be done when the horse has well
> and truly bolted. We've had client-side IPv6 support for going on 10 years
> now, and while it isn't anywhere near perfect and there is still a lot to
> be done... well its all been said already.
> On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Bevan Slattery <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com>wrote:
>>   Yes we have been running out for the last 10 years - I get it.  But
>> here's the news flash - we are going to keep running out for at least the
>> next 5, because the network operator doesn't always determine the timetable
>> for migration of course and unless they don't care about having customers.
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