[AusNOG] IPv4

[Bevan Slattery]

Thanks for the reply Joshua.  The issues in my mind are:

1.  Lack of education and awareness with end-users
2.  Lack of a coherent and seamless migration strategy (including tools) not just for industry/network operators but also for end-users
3.  Poor management of limited resources (IP addresses)

How can we expect users to plan for migration if the people who operate the networks themselves can't even articulate first what the problem is and secondly how to solve it?

So unless us as an industry come up with a solution 2) and communicate 1) then all we have to rely on is efficient resource management 3).

[b]


From: Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au<mailto:joshua at railgun.com.au>>
Date: Saturday, 2 March 2013 3:52 PM
To: "ausnog at ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>" <ausnog at ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog at ausnog.net>>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] IPv4
Resent-From: Bevan Slattery <bevan.slattery at nextdc.com<mailto:bevan.slattery at nextdc.com>>

The unsaid thing here seems to be the cost, to the company, to the customers, to whoever.

I'd suggest that businesses that operate on low margins are always going to feel more threatened when their business model comes under attack, but that is their cross to bear not the internet communities'.

When you have providers selling virtual servers for $5/month, dedicated IP/hosting for $3/month, dedicated servers for $99/month and so on, you start to have complaints from people who can't afford to role out IPv6, or are worried about losing their customer base if they try pass on some of the costs to them. Sure there are lots of companies complaining who do operate on high margins, and people on low margins not complaining, but they aren't the ones with a fundamental business model problem.

It seems people have made their beds, and as painful as it is, they are going to have to sleep in them. The people still playing pass the parcel with this ticking time bomb when it goes off are going to take a far larger hit in 5 years than if they bite the bullet now and get IPv6 ready. And conversely, they are paying a much higher price now than they would have even 5 years ago.

People complain about software not working properly with IPv6, well it might have been time to kick up a fuss about that 10 years ago, not in 5 years time and still expect something to be done when the horse has well and truly bolted. We've had client-side IPv6 support for going on 10 years now, and while it isn't anywhere near perfect and there is still a lot to be done... well its all been said already.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Bevan Slattery <Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com<mailto:Bevan.Slattery at nextdc.com>> wrote:
 Yes we have been running out for the last 10 years - I get it.  But here's the news flash - we are going to keep running out for at least the next 5, because the network operator doesn't always determine the timetable for migration of course and unless they don't care about having customers.

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