[AusNOG] UK ISP's told to block P2P

Darren Ward (darrward) darrward at cisco.com
Thu May 3 19:58:00 EST 2012

Comes back to the point about changing consumption/use models and the
fact that very few business models are changing to adapt (music, video,
entertainment in general)


I feel personally that the vast majority of people labelled 'pirates'
are in fact average people whose changing lifestyle and technology
adoption has changed and are using P2P and other methods to access
entertainment in a way that meets their needs


You'd find almost all of these same people would pay a reasonable fee or
subscribe to a commercial service that offered them a similar capability
and perceived value


I'll throw a different tact in here, the gaming industry is starting to
outstrip the growth of traditional media for our entertainment dollars
and time spent according to a number of surveys and how much of this can
be attributed to the ease of being able to download games via
Steam/Origin etc on the day of global release rather than being made to
walk into a shop just because that's the way they think rights should be
managed ?


I wonder if anyone has any stats on the occurrence of piracy in the
gaming industry and whether those numbers changed with the change to on
demand and subscription online gaming?


How does Sony Pictures differ in that respect to Valve or Paradox
Interactive? Movie, show, game... each has the same rights and revenue


To annoy people - which is greener - download or packaged ? J


Which costs the rights holder less ? J




From: ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
[mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2012 4:42 PM
To: Brett O'Hara
Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] UK ISP's told to block P2P


Maybe we're looking at this all wrong and are being gamed completely:


Read this 2010 article:



Compared to music buyers, music sharers (pirates) are...

* 31% more likely to buy single tracks online.
* 33% more likely to buy music albums online.
* 100% more likely to pay for music subscription services.
* 60% more likely to pay for music on mobile phone.




Maybe the whole idea is to turn us all into pirates because pirates are
more likely to buy stuff from them thus their sales and profits go up?






On 03/05/2012, at 4:06 PM, Brett O'Hara wrote:



Streisand effect - ban it and they will come.




On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Nicholas Meredith
<nicholas at udhaonline.net> wrote:

Hehe yup,  but I must give credit where due, it was impressive how
quickly the thread subject was updated to reflect that major derailment

On May 3, 2012 8:28 AM, "Tony" <td_miles at yahoo.com> wrote:

	I clicked on the UKNOF link and started reading the posts. After
about 2-3 sensible replies the thread dissolved into the usual war about
top/bottom posting.


	Gotta love it :)







		From: Martin Hepworth <maxsec at gmail.com>
		Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net 
		Sent: Wednesday, 2 May 2012 10:53 PM
		Subject: Re: [AusNOG] UK ISP's told to block P2P


		and the link to the UKNOF thread on all this..



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