[AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.
Luke Thompson
luke.t at tncrew.com.au
Tue Aug 2 18:16:30 AEST 2022
Back at university where lectures were recorded (no live streaming), the
presenter had the option to start/stop the recording but also to pause -
which was used for these very segments.
A disadvantage of sorts for those attending remotely, though it was
motivation to attend in-person. I think the value of AusNOG will keep it
stream-free for a while yet.
Some presentations <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/programme>
are later uploaded in slide format, and where there's off-the-record
topics within the slides they tend to say "ranting here" etc.
Cheers,
Luke Thompson
Chief Technical Officer
The Network Crew Pty Ltd
https://thenetworkcrew.com.au
On 2/8/2022 6:01 pm, Etienne-Victor Depasquale wrote:
> I'm just an academic (from Malta) whose research depends on and concerns
> dissemination of information on telecoms networks and
> reading that a presenter at a conference would ask "don't stream,
> don't share slides" is puzzling and disconcerting ...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Etienne
>
> On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:53 AM Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
>
> its not that Australia is special, but (from experience) previous
> presenters have said explicitly "don't stream, don't share slides".
>
> i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding some stuff
> that is recorded or streamed...
>
> Cheers,
> Terry
> --
> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>
>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm, Nathan Brookfield
>> <Nathan.Brookfield at iperium.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not buying that this is the case because any single person
>> considering 300 people have laptops out could record this at any
>> time whether Video or Audio.
>>
>> NZNOG stream, NANOG stream, I went to a conference recently for
>> RPAS with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and other
>> military industrial complex types talking and it was all streamed
>> privately with an NDA agreed too when opening the stream, we’re
>> way past the days of someone saying something in a room being
>> private and if the other NOG’s can do it then why is Australia
>> special….
>>
>> *From:*AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> *On Behalf Of *Shaun Deans
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM
>> *To:* Terry Manderson <terry at terrym.net>
>> *Cc:* AusNOG Mailing List <ausnog at ausnog.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Promotional material at AusNOG Events.
>>
>> All valid points and it's hard to please humans 100% of the time.
>>
>> All we can do is provide options and boundaries which the board
>> have done.
>>
>> It's now up to the community to make choices.
>>
>> The board to a great job and it's easy for me to play devil's
>> advocate from my arm chair.
>>
>> I look forward to attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and
>> available form that works for everyone.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Shaun Deans
>> 🧙♂️ kadeo.au
>> 1800 WKD KDO
>> 📱🏃♂️
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34 Terry Manderson, <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
>>
>> Heh 😏 .666 of a seat ... cute 😂
>>
>> there are of course two other interesting components to this
>> 1. "its the network (of people) behind the network.. eg get
>> to know people, meet people, be in person (if you can) and
>> build trust by eating with, drinking with, those that you can
>> help or they can help you.... 2. if it is streamed and you
>> are remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't helpful to anyone.
>>
>> my perspective, ymmv.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans
>> <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> You do raise a valid point and I hear your view.
>>
>> Numbers and statistics can be viewed to make anyone's
>> points true I was just saying - what if.
>>
>> > Past performance is not a indicator of future
>> performance. /s
>>
>> > All advice is general in nature /s
>>
>> But in the interest of healthy community debate:
>>
>> Let's say 1/4 of the talks are only 'in the room'
>>
>> Therefore the above is discounted by 25% cause the
>> participants only get 75% of the event.
>>
>> - 15,000 / ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets.
>>
>> For every pro there is a con.
>>
>> Innovation does not come without compromise.
>>
>> I'm sure those extra 16 seats will sell fast with the
>> e-swag that they receive.
>>
>> Don't know how I'm going to fill that .666 of a seat 😈
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Shaun Deans
>> 🧙♂️ kadeo.au
>> 1800 WKD KDO
>> 📱🏃♂️
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:09 Andrew White,
>> <admin at uberskilled.com> wrote:
>>
>> I thought the key benefit was Sactioned Swag (tm)?
>>
>> - Whitey
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry Manderson
>> <terry at terrym.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Shaun,
>>
>> are you aware that not all presentations can be
>> streamed? Many presenters provide content that is
>> "in room only" and even their slides can't be
>> shared. How does that factor into you math?
>>
>> That is the key benefit of AusNOG IMHO as there
>> have been (and will be) many presentations you
>> won't see on youtube.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mobile device, don't expect grammar.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans
>> <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> It got the better of me and I'm glad it did.
>>
>> TLDR: 50x Streams = 'the sponsor' /- Swag /
>>
>> ---
>>
>> 1. Income
>>
>> 1. August 2022 = ~ 300 Attendees
>> <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/attendees>at
>> $600 per ticket (Average)
>> <https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2022/registration>
>>
>> 2. Total $180K
>> 3. Sponsors = 'Nearly Half' → $90K
>>
>> 2. Who Done It And What Did They Offer ?
>>
>> 1. I'm just going to say everyone pays
>> equal but they probably don't
>> 2. This will bias for the fact that it
>> could be any tiering and we don't
>> want to single out community members
>> who may be sponsors
>> 3. So the 'sponsor income' could be 15K
>>
>> 1. nice round number
>> 2. and its 'nearly half'
>>
>> 3. Streaming to to masses!
>>
>> 1. 50% Cost for Streaming Ticket = $300
>> 2. Total Streams = $15,000 / $300
>> 3. That's only *50 tickets and it may
>> break even*
>>
>> 1. 3 people said they'd be
>> interested already.
>>
>> 4. This doesn't include:
>>
>> 1. Savings: Onsite Costs such as venue
>> hire, insurance, etc etc
>> 2. Expenses: Bandwidth and Streaming Costs🙄
>>
>> 5. /Past performance is not a indicator of
>> future performance. /s/
>> 6. /All advice is general in nature /s/
>>
>> 🎤💁♂️
>>
>> SD.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 15:19:29, Shaun Deans
>> <shaun at kadeo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> > How about NOG focus on meaningful
>> things like streaming the event for those
>> who can’t attend
>>
>> I for one would pay up to 50% of the
>> in-person price for a live stream. I have
>> done just this for TedX.
>>
>> Would love to see the math on the income
>> from 'the sponsor' and stack that against
>> the income from copious live streams
>> (minus in-person overheads).
>>
>> For an NOG we seem to be very offline 🤷♀️
>>
>> <S>It not like we couldn't find some
>> spare bandwidth for a live stream.</s>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Shaun Deans
>>
>> 🧙♂️kadeo.au <http://kadeo.au/>
>>
>> 1800 WKD KDO
>>
>> 📱🏃♂️
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 14:43 Karl
>> Kloppenborg, <k at rl.ag> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> At 500-600 dollars a ticket, I’d like
>> you to respect the financial
>> commitment I’ve made to gathering as
>> much merch from my industry peers as
>> I’d like.
>>
>> This has historically always taken
>> place and given the small community
>> nature of NOG, something many of us
>> look forward to as part of the
>> experience, we like swapping our
>> merch with our friends. It saves postage.
>>
>> I would say this not only misses the
>> mark but is a continued slap of the
>> face to all those that pay good money
>> to attend the event in hopes to meet
>> with their industry peers but more
>> importantly /friends./
>>
>> //
>>
>> How about NOG focus on meaningful
>> things like streaming the event for
>> those who can’t attend, or providing
>> a continued framework to making the
>> event a safer place for all?
>>
>> Honestly.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>>
>> --
>>
>> *Karl Kloppenborg, */(BCompSc,
>> CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD], LFCE, CompTIA
>> Linux+ XK0-004)/
>>
>> Managing Director, Invention Labs.
>>
>> *From: *AusNOG
>> <ausnog-bounces at ausnog.net> on behalf
>> of david at hughes.id <david at hughes.id>
>> *Date: *Tuesday, 2 August 2022 at 2:21 pm
>> *To: *AusNOG Mailing List
>> <ausnog at ausnog.net>
>> *Subject: *[AusNOG] Promotional
>> material at AusNOG Events.
>>
>> Afternoon all,
>>
>> We've been contacted by one of the
>> sponsors of our conference in April
>> about companies who aren't sponsors
>> handing out promotional material, in
>> particular branded t-shirts etc.
>> While everyone likes getting a bag
>> full of free merch, we ask that
>> attendees respect the financial
>> commitment that our sponsors make
>> towards funding the conference. They
>> cover almost half the cost and in
>> return they get the right to promote
>> themselves to all of you who attend.
>>
>> If you are not a sponsor please do
>> not distribute swag to delegates at
>> the conference.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> David, on behalf of the Board
>> ...
>>
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