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    <p>Back at university where lectures were recorded (no live
      streaming), the presenter had the option to start/stop the
      recording but also to pause - which was used for these very
      segments. <br>
    </p>
    <p>A disadvantage of sorts for those attending remotely, though it
      was motivation to attend in-person. I think the value of AusNOG
      will keep it stream-free for a while yet. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Some <a moz-do-not-send="true"
        href="https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/programme">presentations</a>
      are later uploaded in slide format, and where there's
      off-the-record topics within the slides they tend to say "ranting
      here" etc.<br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers,<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-signature">Luke Thompson<br>
      Chief Technical Officer<br>
      <br>
      The Network Crew Pty Ltd<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://thenetworkcrew.com.au">https://thenetworkcrew.com.au</a><br>
      <br>
      <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/8/2022 6:01 pm, Etienne-Victor
      Depasquale wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAAcx0vDjfiaV1avNh0T4j4SQCnTe2hnAPrKQO04Us5O1mv8-fw@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div dir="ltr">I'm just an academic (from Malta) whose research
        depends on and concerns 
        <div>dissemination of information on telecoms networks and 
          <div>reading that a presenter at a conference would ask 
             "don't stream, don't share slides" is puzzling and
            disconcerting ...</div>
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          <div>Cheers,</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Etienne</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:53 AM
          Terry Manderson <<a href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"
            moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">terry@terrym.net</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="auto">its not that Australia is special, but (from
            experience) previous presenters have said explicitly "don't
            stream, don't share slides".
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            <div>i.e In $dayjob I cannot show or say things regarding
              some stuff that is recorded or streamed...</div>
            <div><br>
              <div dir="ltr">
                <div>Cheers,</div>
                <div>Terry</div>
                <div>--</div>
                <div>Mobile device, don't expect grammar.</div>
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              <div dir="ltr"><br>
                <blockquote type="cite">On 2 Aug 2022, at 5:48 pm,
                  Nathan Brookfield <<a
                    href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au"
                    target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Nathan.Brookfield@iperium.com.au</a>>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>I’m not buying that this
                        is the case because any single person
                        considering 300 people have laptops out could
                        record this at any time whether Video or Audio.</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span>NZNOG stream, NANOG
                        stream, I went to a conference recently for RPAS
                        with companies like Boeing, Northrop Grumman and
                        other military industrial complex types talking
                        and it was all streamed privately with an NDA
                        agreed too when opening the stream, we’re way
                        past the days of someone saying something in a
                        room being private and if the other NOG’s can do
                        it then why is Australia special….</span></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
                          lang="EN-US"> AusNOG <<a
                            href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shaun Deans<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 2 August 2022 5:43 PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Terry Manderson <<a
                            href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">terry@terrym.net</a>><br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> AusNOG Mailing List <<a
                            href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Promotional
                          material at AusNOG Events.</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">All valid points and it's
                        hard to please humans 100% of the time.</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">All we can do is provide
                          options and boundaries which the board have
                          done.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">It's now up to the
                            community to make choices.</p>
                        </div>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">The board to a great job
                            and it's easy for me to play devil's
                            advocate from my arm chair.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to
                            attending an AusNOG in any inclusive and
                            available form that works for everyone.</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<br>
                                <br>
                                Shaun Deans<br>
                                <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                                  Emoji",sans-serif">🧙</span>‍<span
                                  style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                                  Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️
                                kadeo.au<br>
                                1800 WKD KDO<br>
                                <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                                  Emoji",sans-serif">📱🏃</span>‍<span
                                  style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                                  Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️</p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 2 Aug 2022, 17:34
                          Terry Manderson, <<a
                            href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">terry@terrym.net</a>>
                          wrote:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal">Heh <span
                              style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                              Emoji",sans-serif">😏</span> .666 of
                            a seat ... cute
                            <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI
                              Emoji",sans-serif">😂</span> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">there are of course two
                              other interesting components to this 1.
                              "its the network (of people) behind the
                              network.. eg get to know people, meet
                              people, be in person (if you can) and
                              build trust by eating with, drinking with,
                              those that you can help or they can help
                              you.... 2. if it is streamed and you are
                              remote, the "ausnog steam blackout" isn't
                              helpful to anyone.</p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="margin-bottom:12pt">my perspective,
                              ymmv. </p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
                              </div>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Terry</p>
                              </div>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">--</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Mobile device,
                                  don't expect grammar.</p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
                                <br>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="margin-bottom:12pt">On 2 Aug
                                  2022, at 5:23 pm, Shaun Deans <<a
                                    href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au"
                                    target="_blank"
                                    moz-do-not-send="true"
                                    class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>>
                                  wrote:</p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Terry</p>
                                    </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">You do raise
                                        a valid point and I hear your
                                        view.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Numbers and
                                        statistics can be viewed to make
                                        anyone's points true I was just
                                        saying - what if.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">> Past
                                        performance is not a indicator
                                        of future performance. /s</p>
                                    </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">> All
                                        advice is general in nature /s</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">But in the
                                        interest of healthy community
                                        debate:</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Let's say 1/4
                                        of the talks are only 'in the
                                        room' </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Therefore the
                                        above is discounted by 25% cause
                                        the participants only get 75% of
                                        the event.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">- 15,000 /
                                        ($300 * 0.75) = 66.666 Tickets.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">For every pro
                                        there is a con. </p>
                                    </div>
                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Innovation
                                        does not come without
                                        compromise.</p>
                                    </div>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">I'm sure
                                        those extra 16 seats will sell
                                        fast with the e-swag that they
                                        receive.</p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                    <div>
                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Don't know
                                        how I'm going to fill that .666
                                        of a seat <span
                                          style="font-family:"Segoe
                                          UI Emoji",sans-serif">
                                          😈</span></p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers<br>
                                        <br>
                                        Shaun Deans<br>
                                        <span
                                          style="font-family:"Segoe
                                          UI Emoji",sans-serif">🧙</span>‍<span
                                          style="font-family:"Segoe
                                          UI Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️
                                        kadeo.au<br>
                                        1800 WKD KDO<br>
                                        <span
                                          style="font-family:"Segoe
                                          UI Emoji",sans-serif">📱🏃</span>‍<span
                                          style="font-family:"Segoe
                                          UI Emoji",sans-serif">♂</span>️</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                      <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 2 Aug
                                        2022, 17:09 Andrew White, <<a
href="mailto:admin@uberskilled.com" target="_blank"
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">admin@uberskilled.com</a>>
                                        wrote:</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">I thought
                                          the key benefit was Sactioned
                                          Swag (tm)?</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal">- Whitey</p>
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                                        <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue,
                                              2 Aug 2022 at 17:04, Terry
                                              Manderson <<a
                                                href="mailto:terry@terrym.net"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext">terry@terrym.net</a>>
                                              wrote:</p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal">Hi
                                                Shaun,</p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">are
                                                  you aware that not all
                                                  presentations can be
                                                  streamed? Many
                                                  presenters provide
                                                  content that is "in
                                                  room only" and even
                                                  their slides can't be
                                                  shared. How does that
                                                  factor into you math? </p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                                  style="margin-bottom:12pt">That
                                                  is the key benefit of
                                                  AusNOG IMHO as there
                                                  have been (and will
                                                  be) many presentations
                                                  you won't see on
                                                  youtube.</p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Terry</p>
                                                  </div>
                                                  <div>
                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">--</p>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal">Mobile
                                                      device, don't
                                                      expect grammar.</p>
                                                  </div>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><br>
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                                                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">On 2 Aug 2022, at 4:33 pm, Shaun Deans <<a
href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">It
                                                          got the better
                                                          of me and I'm
                                                          glad it did.</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">TLDR:
                                                          50x Streams =
                                                          'the sponsor'
                                                          <i>- Swag </i></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">---</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          Income </li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          August 2022 = 
                                                          ~ <a
                                                          href="https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2021/attendees"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                                          300 Attendees </a>at
                                                          $600 <a
                                                          href="https://www.ausnog.net/events/ausnog-2022/registration"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
                                                          per ticket
                                                          (Average)</a> </li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          Total $180K</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">
                                                          Sponsors =
                                                          'Nearly Half'
                                                          → $90K</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="2">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          Who Done It
                                                          And What Did
                                                          They Offer ?</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="2">
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          I'm just going
                                                          to say
                                                          everyone pays
                                                          equal but they
                                                          probably don't</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          This will bias
                                                          for the fact
                                                          that it could
                                                          be any tiering
                                                          and we don't
                                                          want to single
                                                          out community
                                                          members who
                                                          may be
                                                          sponsors</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          So the
                                                          'sponsor
                                                          income' could
                                                          be 15K </li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="2">
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="3">
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          nice round
                                                          number</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">
                                                          and its
                                                          'nearly half'</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="3">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          Streaming to
                                                          to masses!</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="3">
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          50%  Cost for
                                                          Streaming
                                                          Ticket = $300</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          Total Streams
                                                          = $15,000 /
                                                          $300</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          That's only <b>50
                                                          tickets and it
                                                          may break even</b></li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="3">
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="3">
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">
                                                          3 people said
                                                          they'd be
                                                          interested
                                                          already.</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="4">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          This doesn't
                                                          include:</li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="4">
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="1">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          Savings:
                                                          Onsite Costs
                                                          such as venue
                                                          hire,
                                                          insurance, etc
                                                          etc</li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">
                                                          Expenses:
                                                          Bandwidth and
                                                          Streaming
                                                          Costs<img
                                                          style="width:
                                                          0.1603in;
                                                          height:
                                                          0.1603in;"
                                                          id="gmail-m_-7324550038191711224_x0000_i1032"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F644.png" alt="🙄"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          width="15"
                                                          height="15"
                                                          border="0"></li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <ol type="1"
                                                          start="5">
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal">
                                                          <i>Past
                                                          performance is
                                                          not a
                                                          indicator of
                                                          future
                                                          performance.
                                                          /s</i></li>
                                                          <li
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt">
                                                          <i>All advice
                                                          is general in
                                                          nature  /s</i></li>
                                                          </ol>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><img
                                                          style="width:
                                                          0.1603in;
                                                          height:
                                                          0.1603in;"
                                                          id="gmail-m_-7324550038191711224_x0000_i1031"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F3A4.png" alt="🎤"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          width="15"
                                                          height="15"
                                                          border="0"><img
                                                          style="width:
                                                          0.1603in;
                                                          height:
                                                          0.1603in;"
                                                          id="gmail-m_-7324550038191711224_x0000_i1030"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F481-200D-2642-FE0F.png" alt="💁‍♂️"
moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15" border="0"></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">SD.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <table
                                                          style="width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;float:none"
                                                          width="100%"
                                                          cellspacing="0"
cellpadding="0" border="0">
                                                          <tbody>
                                                          <tr>
                                                          <td
                                                          style="padding:0cm">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> </span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <table
                                                          style="width:100%;border-collapse:collapse;float:none"
                                                          width="100%"
                                                          cellspacing="0"
cellpadding="0" border="0">
                                                          <tbody>
                                                          <tr>
                                                          <td
                                                          style="padding:0cm">
                                                          <table
                                                          style="border-collapse:collapse;float:none"
cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0">
                                                          <tbody>
                                                          <tr
                                                          style="height:17pt">
                                                          <td
                                                          style="width:100%;padding:0cm;height:17pt"
                                                          width="100%">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:19pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"> 
                                                          </span></p>
                                                          </td>
                                                          </tr>
                                                          </tbody>
                                                          </table>
                                                          </td>
                                                          </tr>
                                                          </tbody>
                                                          </table>
                                                          </td>
                                                          </tr>
                                                          </tbody>
                                                          </table>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p>
                                                          <table
                                                          cellpadding="0"
                                                          border="0">
                                                          <tbody>
                                                          <tr>
                                                          <td
                                                          style="padding:0.75pt"><br>
                                                          </td>
                                                          </tr>
                                                          </tbody>
                                                          </table>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Tue, Aug 02,
                                                          2022 at
                                                          15:19:29,
                                                          Shaun Deans
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:shaun@kadeo.com.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">shaun@kadeo.com.au</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt
                                                          solid
                                                          rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm
                                                          0cm 0cm
                                                          6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">> How
                                                          about NOG
                                                          focus on
                                                          meaningful
                                                          things like
                                                          streaming the
                                                          event for
                                                          those who
                                                          can’t attend</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          for one would
                                                          pay up to 50%
                                                          of the
                                                          in-person
                                                          price for a
                                                          live stream. I
                                                          have done just
                                                          this for TedX.</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Would
                                                          love to see
                                                          the math on
                                                          the income
                                                          from 'the
                                                          sponsor' and
                                                          stack that
                                                          against the
                                                          income from
                                                          copious live
                                                          streams (minus
                                                          in-person
                                                          overheads).</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">For
                                                          an NOG we seem
                                                          to be very
                                                          offline <img
                                                          style="width:
                                                          0.1603in;
                                                          height:
                                                          0.1603in;"
                                                          id="gmail-m_-7324550038191711224_x0000_i1029"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F937-200D-2640-FE0F.png" alt="🤷‍♀️"
moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15" border="0"></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><S>It
                                                          not like we
                                                          couldn't find
                                                          some spare
                                                          bandwidth for
                                                          a live
                                                          stream.</s></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Shaun
                                                          Deans</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><img
                                                          style="width:
                                                          0.1603in;
                                                          height:
                                                          0.1603in;"
                                                          id="gmail-m_-7324550038191711224_x0000_i1028"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F9D9-200D-2642-FE0F.png" alt="🧙‍♂️"
moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15" border="0"><a
                                                          href="http://kadeo.au/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kadeo.au</a></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">1800
                                                          WKD KDO</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><img
                                                          style="width:
                                                          0.1603in;
                                                          height:
                                                          0.1603in;"
                                                          id="gmail-m_-7324550038191711224_x0000_i1027"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F4F1.png" alt="📱"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                          width="15"
                                                          height="15"
                                                          border="0"><img
                                                          style="width:
                                                          0.1603in;
                                                          height:
                                                          0.1603in;"
                                                          id="gmail-m_-7324550038191711224_x0000_i1026"
src="https://emojis.superhuman.com/1F3C3-200D-2642-FE0F.png" alt="🏃‍♂️"
moz-do-not-send="true" width="15" height="15" border="0"></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Tue, 2 Aug
                                                          2022, 14:43
                                                          Karl
                                                          Kloppenborg,
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:k@rl.ag"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">k@rl.ag</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <blockquote
style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt
                                                          solid
                                                          rgb(204,204,204);padding:0cm
                                                          0cm 0cm
                                                          6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Hi
                                                          David,</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">At
                                                          500-600
                                                          dollars a
                                                          ticket, I’d
                                                          like you to
                                                          respect the
                                                          financial
                                                          commitment
                                                          I’ve made to
                                                          gathering as
                                                          much merch
                                                          from my
                                                          industry peers
                                                          as I’d like.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">This
                                                          has
                                                          historically
                                                          always taken
                                                          place and
                                                          given the
                                                          small
                                                          community
                                                          nature of NOG,
                                                          something many
                                                          of us look
                                                          forward to as
                                                          part of the
                                                          experience, we
                                                          like swapping
                                                          our merch with
                                                          our friends.
                                                          It saves
                                                          postage.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          would say this
                                                          not only
                                                          misses the
                                                          mark but is a
                                                          continued slap
                                                          of the face to
                                                          all those that
                                                          pay good money
                                                          to attend the
                                                          event in hopes
                                                          to meet with
                                                          their industry
                                                          peers but more
                                                          importantly <i>friends.</i></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><i> </i></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">How
                                                          about NOG
                                                          focus on
                                                          meaningful
                                                          things like
                                                          streaming the
                                                          event for
                                                          those who
                                                          can’t attend,
                                                          or providing a
                                                          continued
                                                          framework to
                                                          making the
                                                          event a safer
                                                          place for all?</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Honestly.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Kind Regards,</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">--</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Karl Kloppenborg,
                                                          </span></b><i><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">(BCompSc, CNCF-[KCNA, CKA, CKAD],
                                                          LFCE, CompTIA
                                                          Linux+
                                                          XK0-004)</span></i></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:-webkit-standard">Managing Director, Invention Labs.</span></p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div
style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt
                                                          solid
                                                          rgb(181,196,223);padding:3pt
                                                          0cm 0cm">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><b><span style="font-size:12pt">From:
                                                          </span></b><span
style="font-size:12pt">AusNOG <<a
                                                          href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ausnog-bounces@ausnog.net</a>>
                                                          on behalf of
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:david@hughes.id"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">david@hughes.id</a>
                                                          <<a
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                                                          <b>Date: </b>Tuesday,
                                                          2 August 2022
                                                          at 2:21 pm<br>
                                                          <b>To: </b>AusNOG
                                                          Mailing List
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Subject: </b>[AusNOG]
                                                          Promotional
                                                          material at
                                                          AusNOG Events.</span></p>
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                                                          all,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          We've been
                                                          contacted by
                                                          one of the
                                                          sponsors of
                                                          our conference
                                                          in April about
                                                          companies who
                                                          aren't
                                                          sponsors
                                                          handing out
                                                          promotional
                                                          material, in
                                                          particular
                                                          branded
                                                          t-shirts etc. 
                                                          While everyone
                                                          likes getting
                                                          a bag full of
                                                          free merch, we
                                                          ask that
                                                          attendees
                                                          respect the
                                                          financial
                                                          commitment
                                                          that our
                                                          sponsors make
                                                          towards
                                                          funding the
                                                          conference. 
                                                          They cover
                                                          almost half
                                                          the cost and
                                                          in return they
                                                          get the right
                                                          to promote
                                                          themselves to
                                                          all of you who
                                                          attend.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          If you are not
                                                          a sponsor
                                                          please do not
                                                          distribute
                                                          swag to
                                                          delegates at
                                                          the
                                                          conference.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Regards,<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          David, on
                                                          behalf of the
                                                          Board<br>
                                                          ...<br>
                                                          <br>
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            of Information & Communication Technology</span><br
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          <span
            style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">University
            of Malta</span>
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