[AusNOG] Telstra Wi-Fi calling on our network.

Sat Oct 12 15:28:02 EST 2019

On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 12:27, Nathan Brookfield
<Nathan.Brookfield at simtronic.com.au> wrote:
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> If you run a corporate or last mile access network, isn’t your primary role to deliver content to your end user whether that’s Email. HTTP, Voice or video in some way, shape or form as reliably and quickly as possible without fault?
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The OP seems to believe that Telstra are freeloading on his network.
They're not, because his customers are paying him to provide
reachability to the Internet, which includes Telstra and what ever OTT
service Telstra may provide.

> The fact you’d even ask how to block it shocks me, the entire point o; WiFi calling is to provide a better service to end users in poor cocerahe area’s whether that’s via RF or cable, yes it shifts load off a radio transmitter or microwave backhaul to IP over multiple networks but it’s still using Infrastructure on Telstra’s network so if anything It’s transferring costs for them from one place to another.  When I walk into Equinix for example and join the WiFi and I can make and receive calls while working in a low coverage area, I praise Telstra!
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> There are people here who know much better than I do but I doubt CDN’s are paying Australian Telco’s to be inside the network in 2019 unless it’s under a legacy agreement, it’s likely the other way around or a mutual agreement, carriers want the best access to content without having to transit it so I’m going to say, you’re just plain wrong on all fronts here.
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> On 12 Oct 2019, at 10:41, James Hodgkinson <yaleman at ricetek.net> wrote:
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> Are you really considering blocking customers' access to services, via the connectivity/bandwidth they pay you for, because of the company that provides that service?
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> After so much heated argument over net neutrality, I feel this shouldn't even be a discussion.
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> I'd wager it wasn't even Telstra making the cellular vs wifi choice, it was the devices.
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> James
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> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019, at 09:31, James Harmey wrote:
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> I looked into this as to allowing traffic for WiFi calling on our corporate WiFi.
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> Allowing (or denying) traffic to these URLs should be enough to manage WiFi calling.
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> epdg.epc.<carrier mnc>.<carrier mcc>.pub.3gppnetwork.org
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> so for Telstra that would be:
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> epdg.epc.mnc001.mcc505.pub.3gppnetwork.org
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> The MNC and MMC values are publicly available.
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> It’s also just an IPSec tunnel so you could always block that if you were so inclined.
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> On Sat, 12 Oct 2019 at 10:15, <mike at ozonline.com.au> wrote:
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> Hi All,
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> So Telstra mobile services increasingly seem to revert to using
> Wifi calling even in the presence of decent signal strength.
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> If I were a CDN wanting to connect to Telstra IP,
> they'd charge me for injecting traffic into their network or for transit,
> and yet Telstra is injecting traffic into our our network to carry
> some of their cell traffic, without payment or agreement.
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> Now you might say, sure, but we're doing that for our customers not
> for Telstra. But Telstra themselves will charge CDNs for delivering
> content
> to Telstra's customers, something Telstra's end customers are presumably
> already paying for. So yeah, we know in this industry what is good for the
> goose is not always good for the gander.
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> Another point, Telstra, who are our sworn competitors, are using our
> network for Wifi calling to supplement their mobile network. Presumably
> this use of their competitor's networks reduces their capital investment
> requirement and supports their revenue stream by raising the
> quality of their coverage. Hence Telstra's use of their competitor's networks
> enhances their ability to dominate the industry, again without
> any kind of settlement to their competitor ISPs.
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> Thoughts?
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> Also, anyone have any thoughts about what ACL one might put in place
> to block wifi calling if one was of a mind to?
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> Michael
> Australia On Line.
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