[AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill

[Mark Smith]

On Thu., 13 Sep. 2018, 15:14 Paul Wilkins, <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> An enabler? I wish. The government is perfectly capable of passing the
> Assistance and Access Bill without my help.
>
> There's a compelling argument that encryption doesn't negate the sovereign
> right of the Crown to conduct wiretap surveillance subject to judicial
> writ. I recognise the need to extend judicial writ to the cyber domain. So
> do plenty of other people, inside and outside of government,
>

You're in the minority and you're being naive.

You might want to think about what a minister of our government, in charge
of a number of spy agencies implied he was quite willing to do with his
"dirt files" charade this week - perhaps to you if happened to cross him.

https://tendaily.com.au/news/politics/a180911suy/dutton-brought-actual-dirt-files-into-parliament-slammed-quaedvlieg-again-20180911

Once a tool exists to be used it also can be abused. Technology cannot make
judgements as the intent, morals or honesty of its user.



so it's happening, regardless of the objections of hardline privacy
> advocates.
>

Privacy is binary, you either have it or you don't.

There is no such thing as "hardline" or "softline" privacy.

Digital privacy has been declared a UN human right.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/issues/digitalage/pages/digitalageindex.aspx



> I want this regime to be effective and implemented properly, with checks
> and balances consistent with a liberal democracy, and proportionate to the
> need for privacy. If I contribute to the process, it's to ensure a better
> outcome than had I stood idle and silent.
>

"What you allow, you encourage." - Michael Josephson.

By proposing solutions, you are tacitly endorsing the legislation. Seems
you have some authoritarian tendencies.



> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 at 12:58, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You realise you're being an enabler don't you?
>>
>> On Thu., 13 Sep. 2018, 09:35 Paul Wilkins, <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If there were an equivalent to certificate transparency logs for our
>>> data retention laws and for these proposed technical assistance requests,
>>> you could be sure that they'd be used much more responsibly and sparingly.
>>>
>>> I like this idea, a lot.
>>>
>>> In my submission I raised the possibility of a single agency acting as a
>>> clearing house for judicial writs, and issuing per warrant SSL certificates
>>> to secure warrant data as part of the process. The idea to have them
>>> implement certificate transparency is excellent, and I'd support any
>>> representation to government urging them to resource such efforts. However,
>>> it's going to be a struggle, given where, if you've noticed, gov.au is not
>>> yet DNSSEC signed - which I find deliciously ironic, the government issuing
>>> itself new powers to protect our cyber security, while their whole TLD
>>> flaps in the breeze...
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 12 Sep 2018 at 21:52, Paul Gear <ausnog at libertysys.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/09/18 17:04, Mark Newton wrote:
>>>> > ...
>>>> > There is no democratic brake on the advancement of the intelligence
>>>> > community’s powers, they continue to do whatever the hell they want,
>>>> > with no recourse.
>>>> > ...
>>>>
>>>> ^ This.  Those in power continue to wield it in ways which benefit
>>>> themselves rather than all of us.  I'm not sure what the entire solution
>>>> is, but part of it surely must include being open to scrutiny by the
>>>> general public.  If there were an equivalent to certificate transparency
>>>> logs for our data retention laws and for these proposed technical
>>>> assistance requests, you could be sure that they'd be used much more
>>>> responsibly and sparingly.
>>>>
>>>> I would also add that nor is there a brake on the advancement of Silicon
>>>> Valley's powers.  Imagine if the same public (or near-public) scrutiny
>>>> were available for the decisions that large Internet, financial, and
>>>> advertising firms make about us...
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
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