[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

Paul Wilkins paulwilkins369 at gmail.com
Mon Oct 22 11:30:51 EST 2018 

Question: Is it possible to pass a PCI audit, while potentially bound to
silence regarding:

   - source integrity
   - secret functionality
   - undisclosed 3rd party end points


I suppose auditors can qualify any report that mandated TCNs/TANs are
excepted, but are you then "PCI Compliant"?


Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 13:03, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, well almost elevated to Federal Parliament.
>
> On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 12:55, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The turnup on Saturday with the elevation of Kerryn Phelps to Federal
>> Parliament  means a very different playing field for Dutton. It's one thing
>> to ask Labor to pass a Bill in the Senate whose function is (supposedly) a
>> House of Review. Now Dutton has to get the Bill through not 1 but 2 houses,
>> and more importantly, the Lower House effectively authors Bills. Labor is
>> less likely to support the Bill in the Lower House.
>>
>> Phelps said prior to the election the purpose of independents is to "hold
>> the government to account, not to ransom", so we'll have to wait and see.
>> Her stated priorities are environment and refugees, so obviously won't want
>> to scrape off the shiny new mint of political capital on Law and Order
>> issues, but she's been a strong human rights advocate, and the Bill raises
>> serious human rights issues.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 15:28, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're concerned by the Bill's overreach, where it allows for
>>> arbitrary and disproportionate interference in privacy, write the
>>> Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights: human.rights at aph.gov.au
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:31, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Appeared this morning. Runs to 60pp vs 20pp for the Home Affairs
>>>> submission.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:55, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd also venture the roll call for Friday is in no small degree window
>>>>> dressing for Saturday's Wentworth turnout. I did forward my letter to PJCIS
>>>>> onto Kerryn Phelps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:48, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review.
>>>>>> Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12
>>>>>> October 2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on
>>>>>> Friday, 19 October 2018.  *Further Public Hearings will be scheduled
>>>>>> for late October or early November 2018.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018
>>>>>> <https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose
>>>>>>> whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected given
>>>>>>> their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making
>>>>>>> submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by design.
>>>>>>> Some very critical views are not to be heard from.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of
>>>>>>>> October (this Friday) has been released:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the
>>>>>>>> following parties are scheduled to speak on this day:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * The Department of Home Affairs.
>>>>>>>> * The Law Council of Australia.  This is an interesting one - it
>>>>>>>> appears (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a submission
>>>>>>>> at all (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - their
>>>>>>>> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64
>>>>>>>> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing).
>>>>>>>> * Optus "and others TBC".
>>>>>>>> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one of
>>>>>>>> the parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even attribute
>>>>>>>> the submissions to the correct/complete groups).
>>>>>>>> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting that
>>>>>>>> the BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, but
>>>>>>>> Amazon's isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of submissions).
>>>>>>>> * TBC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day -
>>>>>>>> it's here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the oddities
>>>>>>>> I'll mention next):
>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60
>>>>>>>> minutes allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus "and
>>>>>>>> others TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 minutes,
>>>>>>>> Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 minutes,
>>>>>>>> and then the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of
>>>>>>>> October that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for hearings
>>>>>>>> starting on the 19th of October.  I expressed an interest in participating
>>>>>>>> in the public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the consultation
>>>>>>>> period - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the 19th,
>>>>>>>> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be
>>>>>>>> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I would have
>>>>>>>> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to Canberra
>>>>>>>> on Friday).  I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even
>>>>>>>> published yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a
>>>>>>>> very small number of organisations have been invited to the public hearing
>>>>>>>> - I believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, but
>>>>>>>> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - this is
>>>>>>>> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet
>>>>>>>> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular given
>>>>>>>> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from
>>>>>>>> here.  At this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate level
>>>>>>>> and breadth of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate
>>>>>>>> outcome for Australia.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman
>>>>>>>>> Andrew Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading
>>>>>>>>> conspirators in rolling Turnbull.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were
>>>>>>>>>> made to the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll actually get
>>>>>>>>>> read and considered this time around.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the
>>>>>>>>>> hope that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas
>>>>>>>>>> outside of technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but thought
>>>>>>>>>> it best to let experts make the points there.  I also made it clear to the
>>>>>>>>>> PJCIS that ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll see how
>>>>>>>>>> that goes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for
>>>>>>>>>>> what's a pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying to convey
>>>>>>>>>>> a message that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home Affairs
>>>>>>>>>>> consultation was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the process.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't complain
>>>>>>>>>>> about the results, so thanks again to those who've made submissions (Home
>>>>>>>>>>> Affairs and then again for PJCIS) to see that our industry's needs get
>>>>>>>>>>> represented and, if not acknowledged, are at least on the public record to
>>>>>>>>>>> hold Home Affairs to account for what's some pretty imperious unilateralism
>>>>>>>>>>> and shabby disregard for the industry's and the public's concerns and best
>>>>>>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA.  It's
>>>>>>>>>>>> also published here:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AFP can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au pairs!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JCIS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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