[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

Sun Oct 21 13:03:30 EST 2018

Oh, well almost elevated to Federal Parliament.

On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 at 12:55, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The turnup on Saturday with the elevation of Kerryn Phelps to Federal
> Parliament  means a very different playing field for Dutton. It's one thing
> to ask Labor to pass a Bill in the Senate whose function is (supposedly) a
> House of Review. Now Dutton has to get the Bill through not 1 but 2 houses,
> and more importantly, the Lower House effectively authors Bills. Labor is
> less likely to support the Bill in the Lower House.
>
> Phelps said prior to the election the purpose of independents is to "hold
> the government to account, not to ransom", so we'll have to wait and see.
> Her stated priorities are environment and refugees, so obviously won't want
> to scrape off the shiny new mint of political capital on Law and Order
> issues, but she's been a strong human rights advocate, and the Bill raises
> serious human rights issues.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 15:28, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> If you're concerned by the Bill's overreach, where it allows for
>> arbitrary and disproportionate interference in privacy, write the
>> Parliamentary Joint Committee on Human Rights: human.rights at aph.gov.au
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>> On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 11:31, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Appeared this morning. Runs to 60pp vs 20pp for the Home Affairs
>>> submission.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=859d9cda-0f99-4bef-994f-edc6006c87bf&subId=661321
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:55, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd also venture the roll call for Friday is in no small degree window
>>>> dressing for Saturday's Wentworth turnout. I did forward my letter to PJCIS
>>>> onto Kerryn Phelps.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>>
>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:48, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Committee is currently accepting submissions to this review.
>>>>> Submissions should be provided no later than *12pm, Friday, 12
>>>>> October 2018.* An initial Public Hearing is expected to be held on
>>>>> Friday, 19 October 2018.  *Further Public Hearings will be scheduled
>>>>> for late October or early November 2018.*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018
>>>>> <https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018>*
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 at 11:44, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Optus (Singtel)'s submission was soft touch, saying they'll impose
>>>>>> whatever's required by government dictate. Pretty much to be expected given
>>>>>> their parent company is Singapore based. As Rob points out, most making
>>>>>> submissions won't be heard from. I'd go so far as to say this is by design.
>>>>>> Some very critical views are not to be heard from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 at 21:13, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The schedule for the first day of public hearings on the 19th of
>>>>>>> October (this Friday) has been released:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=false
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For those who don't wish to download the PDF document, the following
>>>>>>> parties are scheduled to speak on this day:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * The Department of Home Affairs.
>>>>>>> * The Law Council of Australia.  This is an interesting one - it
>>>>>>> appears (unless my eyes are failing me) that they did not make a submission
>>>>>>> at all (or at least not one that the PJCIS has chosen to publish - their
>>>>>>> submission numbering goes to 66, yet their website counts only 64
>>>>>>> submissions - submissions 12 and 14 are missing).
>>>>>>> * Optus "and others TBC".
>>>>>>> * Ai Group "and others TBC" (interestingly, Ai Group is only one of
>>>>>>> the parties involved in the cited submission - so they can't even attribute
>>>>>>> the submissions to the correct/complete groups).
>>>>>>> * Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" (noting that
>>>>>>> the BSA submission is cited in the submissions pack for the day, but
>>>>>>> Amazon's isn't - and nor is it listed on the main list of submissions).
>>>>>>> * TBC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a pack of submissions (4 of them) relevant for the day -
>>>>>>> it's here if anyone's keen (particularly useful given some of the oddities
>>>>>>> I'll mention next):
>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?hearingid=28560&submissions=true
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Each is allocated a different time frame as well - DOHA have 60
>>>>>>> minutes allocated, the Law Council of Australia get 45 minutes, Optus "and
>>>>>>> others TBC" get 45 minutes, Ai Group "and others TBC" receive 60 minutes,
>>>>>>> Amazon, BSA | The Software Alliance "and others TBC" receive 75 minutes,
>>>>>>> and then the "TBC" section has a start time (3:15pm) but no finish time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It concerns me that as of nearly 9pm Sydney time on the 16th of
>>>>>>> October that "and others TBC" and "TBC" is still undefined for hearings
>>>>>>> starting on the 19th of October.  I expressed an interest in participating
>>>>>>> in the public hearings on behalf of ITPA very early on in the consultation
>>>>>>> period - yet IF we do get invited to attend the public hearing on the 19th,
>>>>>>> they're giving me very little time to get myself down there (and to be
>>>>>>> honest, I may not be able to attend at this late notice, given I would have
>>>>>>> to make arrangements both at home and at work for me to travel to Canberra
>>>>>>> on Friday).  I also can't start to plan for dates that aren't even
>>>>>>> published yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another concern is that with "around 65" submissions made, only a
>>>>>>> very small number of organisations have been invited to the public hearing
>>>>>>> - I believe there was talk of further public hearing days been added, but
>>>>>>> there's no indication of that on the PJCIS website at this stage - this is
>>>>>>> particularly concerning when you look at some of the parties NOT yet
>>>>>>> invited - organisations like Cisco, Telstra and Apple in particular given
>>>>>>> that Optus, Amazon and BSA are invited).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It will be interesting to see how things continue to run from here.
>>>>>>> At this stage, I am not seeing evidence that the appropriate level and
>>>>>>> breadth of consultation will take place to ensure an appropriate outcome
>>>>>>> for Australia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 17:37, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>> When in Canberra, don't look for any support from PJCIS Chairman
>>>>>>>> Andrew Hastie, who is a Dutton supporter, and one of the leading
>>>>>>>> conspirators in rolling Turnbull.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PJCIS is listing 37 submissions - way down on the 343 that were
>>>>>>>>> made to the Department of Home Affairs, but hopefully they'll actually get
>>>>>>>>> read and considered this time around.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I tried to stick to ITPA's area of expertise (tehnology) in the
>>>>>>>>> hope that other parties more qualified than us have focused on areas
>>>>>>>>> outside of technology - I have strong opinions in those areas, but thought
>>>>>>>>> it best to let experts make the points there.  I also made it clear to the
>>>>>>>>> PJCIS that ITPA wishes to be invited to the public hearing, we'll see how
>>>>>>>>> that goes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:26, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I want to say thanks to everyone who's made the effort for what's
>>>>>>>>>> a pretty thankless and costly investment of time - trying to convey a
>>>>>>>>>> message that Home Affairs appear intent to ignore. The Home Affairs
>>>>>>>>>> consultation was a wash. Let's hope PJCIS actually engage with the process.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However if you don't engage with the process, you can't complain
>>>>>>>>>> about the results, so thanks again to those who've made submissions (Home
>>>>>>>>>> Affairs and then again for PJCIS) to see that our industry's needs get
>>>>>>>>>> represented and, if not acknowledged, are at least on the public record to
>>>>>>>>>> hold Home Affairs to account for what's some pretty imperious unilateralism
>>>>>>>>>> and shabby disregard for the industry's and the public's concerns and best
>>>>>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 09:46, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have just sent through my submission on behalf of ITPA.  It's
>>>>>>>>>>> also published here:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.itpa.org.au/news/itpa-submission-pjcis-telecommunications-and-other-legislation-amendment-assistance-and-access-bill-/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ""
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 17:17, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My submission is now up on PJCIS . Worth a read for anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joint/Intelligence_and_Security/TelcoAmendmentBill2018/Submissions
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh ho!! Now the rush behind the bill all makes sense - so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AFP can go after whoever leaked against Dutton and his au pairs!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/oct/11/afp-search-raids-affairs-department-peter-dutton-au-pair-visa-leaks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad we cleared that up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:33, Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dep't Home Affairs submission to PJCIS has turned up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.aph.gov.au/DocumentStore.ashx?id=8704d357-2f09-4173-871a-f073166d4e10&subId=660956
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 at 12:14, Christian Heinrich <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 12:01 PM Paul Wilkins <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good job peeps, 24 hours before submissions close with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JCIS.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are 343 listed as of today (Thursday).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian Heinrich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://cmlh.id.au/contact
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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