[AusNOG] **** STOP THREAD **** Common Sense needs to prevail

[David Hughes]

Shanti,

As you already assumed, your total disregard for this list has resulted in your access being moderated and all future posts will need to be approved.



David - on behalf of the moderators.
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On 9 Oct 2018, at 3:13 pm, Shanti Korporaal <shanti at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:shanti at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:

Hey all

I find it amusing that a bunch of middle class (probably white) (and mostly) men with first world problems are talking about sexual harassment.

Each case is different, and most women in the tech space in the west can speak up for themselves and say when they are unhappy about any unwelcomed advances towards them - which clearly someone has and good on her. What she should have done is told the event organiser then and there, and if super inappropriate, called them out for it then and there. I for one would have knocked them on their ass and shoved any phone with inappropriate pictures in a place they would regret.

Guys, you are all amazing and titans of the industry, please don't be brought down by garbage like this. This incident is nothing new and any woman in this industry for more than 5 minutes will know to have her defences up, fight back and who to talk to about putting someone in their place - Bevan for one.

Ausnog events and drinks in this industry and others are awesome places to meet people, especially a good looking successful guy. I might even meet one someday myself (haha, love you babe!).

Since I've already broken the rules and will likely be banned for being a strong woman who can speak layer 2 and has a bucket full of IPv4 to sell:

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Regards
Shanti

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On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 1:26 PM dusty <dusty.au at gmail.com<mailto:dusty.au at gmail.com>> wrote:
Funny, I was going to say the same thing to you.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 12:24 pm, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
You're now part of the problem, not the solution.


...Skeeve

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On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 10:15 AM John Edwards <jaedwards at gmail.com<mailto:jaedwards at gmail.com>> wrote:
Flirting with "a cute guy or girl" at an industry function is inappropriate.

There are apps for that now, save the face to face for professional relationship building.

Imagine thinking that someone was interested in you for your skills or experience, only to find that you misread "innocent flirting". That might affect your career choices and the industry as a whole would be poorer for it. At the very least it wasted your time in exploring legitimate networking opportunities.

Bonus "PC gone mad" points for sharing a mildly racist anecdote and obliviously lowering the tone of the place a little bit more.

John



On Tue, 9 Oct 2018 at 08:02, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
I hate to do this. I'm going to contradict my previous post about this not being the forum for such discussions.

This post is not to start another thread war, so if you want to abuse or say something else to me, please do it off-list.

I've been catching up on the posts re Sexual Harassment in our industry. I didn't read all of them, there were just too many. So I don't know if this perspective was addressed.

Firstly, I will state categorically that Sexual Harassment is wrong. SEXUAL HARASSMENT is wrong. Flirting or saying hi to a cute girl (or guy) is not wrong.

I hate seeing people go politically correct mad and destroying perfectly good situations because of a few idiots who should be punished. That said, the incident should be looked into to make sure facts/accusations are accurate, as a misunderstanding or wrong accusation can easily destroy someone as badly as being actually sexually harassed. Bevan was right to make the announcement, and right to send the warning of what would occur next time.

But we need to make sure our industry doesn't have all the fun and opportunity to meet new people squeezed out of it. I'd hate to see events where people are afraid to even say hi to someone they fancy (damn I'm old) due to incidents such as these.

I say this because I have a different experience than most people here in that I met my wife at an Ausnog event.

It was an industry drinks (pre-conference I believe for Ausnog #2)... there was a cute girl named Shanti (white) and her friend Lynette (Sri Lankan) which I found highly amusing based on their names. We had lots of fun with that and there was much flirting to be had.  I wasn't too naughty (based on the result), but I do recall my staff carrying me out of that event due to way too much alcohol.

It turns out Shanti was the one managing the event on loan from Vocus. As a sponsor of Ausnog #2, I had some interactions with Shanti the following few days (my staff were previously doing it - but I was smitten), and during the actual conference spent most of the time outside doing more flirting with this amazingly cute girl who for some reason was giving me the time of day.

I don't recall any of that event really except Vijay Gill being awesome and Geoff Huston doing his thing. Apart from that... no idea.. I was a little smitten.

A few days later I headed to Christchurch for my first APNIC event (#26) on James Spenceleys recommendation and by some stroke of luck (for me), James brought along Shanti too.  Well, that was that. It was my first APNIC, and James asked Shanti to 'keep me amused' [it was all his fault!!] as we were obviously getting on well. Well, that was the end of that.

10 years later, and recently having our 7th Wedding anniversary, and being the happiest husband ever that I met and fell for one of the very few women at the AusNOG conference.

So. Sexual Harassment is bad bad bad... and anyone who does anyone that is not welcome should be taken care of harshly. But, trying to meet people, is not a bad thing, and as long as people are respectful, people should continue to continue to have fun at these events and not be scared of meeting new people, for whatever reasons.

...Skeeve

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