[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS
Phil Memery
memery at clevernetit.com.au
Thu Nov 22 14:54:29 EST 2018
https://www.abc.net.au/news/justin/
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Breaking news
Prime Minister Scott Morrison proposes new laws to make it easier to
strip Australian citizenship from people convicted of terrorism offences
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I saw the live on ABC news event. Scomo insisted on the Access Bill
being passed within the next 2 sitting weeks.....
I guess the Video of the press conf will make to the Internet soon...
On 22/11/18 2:34 pm, Paul Wilkins wrote:
> /"it's going to our government"/
> /
> /
> Well actually no. Not since Wentworth. The government can't pass bills
> without either Labor or the cross benchers, so it's highly risorous
> the Home Affairs Minister thinks this an opportune time to give the
> PJCIS the hurry along./
> /
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> He also presents himself and department as unanswerable to the PJCHR,
> who go to volumes in their criticisms./
> /
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> On Thu, 22 Nov 2018 at 10:43, Bradley Silverman
> <bsilverman at staff.ventraip.com <mailto:bsilverman at staff.ventraip.com>>
> wrote:
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> /"no thinking person" - /That's the problem, it's not going to
> thinking people, it's going to our government...
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> On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 10:17 AM Paul Wilkins
> <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com <mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I can't agree that whether the Bill passes at this stage comes
> down to simple numbers along party lines.
>
> 1 - The Bill is simply too far reaching in consequences for
> parliament to wave it through. With power comes
> responsibility. The Bill is attracting huge condemnation
> internationally, and those supporting the Bill risk looking
> like chumps. It's a bit like global warming, no one who knows
> what they're talking about thinks this is a good idea.
>
> 2 - The Department for Home Affairs put this Bill together,
> and Dutton arrived at the tail end of the process. Although he
> might like to distance himself from the legislation, the buck
> ultimately stops with him as he introduced and commended the
> Bill to the House.
>
> 3 - The Bill is more Trumpist than Liberal. Even if it's bad
> law and bad for Liberal Democracy, it's good politics for the
> Liberal Trumpists.
>
> 4 - If Labor knocks it back in the Lower House, I can't see it
> getting through without some sort of deal being struck with
> one of the cross benchers. Because no thinking person sees
> this Bill as a good move, there will be no Lower House deal
> without a serious quid pro quo. Then there would need to be
> another deal in the Upper House, with differently aligned
> cross benchers.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 22:44, Bryan O'Reilly
> <bryan at telcoindependent.com.au
> <mailto:bryan at telcoindependent.com.au>> wrote:
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> Hi Paul,
>
> I’m looking forward to your Lunchtime Lecture next week on
> this topic!
>
> Kind regards,
>
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> *From:*AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
> <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>> *On Behalf Of
> *Paul Brooks
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 November 2018 5:18 PM
> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves
> to PJCIS
>
> Thanks Rob.
> In the latest, Dutton wants to speed up the Bill and have
> it passed "next week", and has apparently asked the PJCIS
> to cut short its evaluation, according to reporting of an
> interview on Sky News.
>
> Dutton tries to speed up encryption bill
> <https://www.itnews.com.au/news/dutton-tries-to-speed-up-encryption-bill-515862>
>
> (Point of clarification - that bit about smart and dumb
> criminals was while trying to explain the difference
> between a system having a capability that can be used by
> the operator to implement a "act or thing", and an
> operator actually using that capability in a particular
> instance against a particular target - and that the
> existence of the capability isn't and shouldn't be secret,
> even if the actual use in response to a warrant was still
> kept a secret. That distinction has been difficult for
> the committee to understand without a simple illustration.)
>
>
> Paul.
>
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> On 21/11/2018 2:00 PM, Robert Hudson wrote:
>
> (Not necessarily a direct response to Paul's email,
> just additional data for the thread).
>
> Traditional media are starting to pick this up, and
> they're just parroting the govt position. Macquarie
> Radio news at 8am ran a story on it this morning, and
> it was all about Dutton saying he wants the
> legislation passed quickly so they can catch more
> terrorists.
>
> Other than the point well made by Paul Brooks that the
> only criminals who will be caught by this are the dumb
> ones (there was a link made between this proposed
> legislation and three potential terrorists were were
> arrested - without this legislation in place), and the
> smarter criminals (ie those capable of tieing their
> own shoe laces) will simply use software that is not
> subject to the legislation, there is an extension - to
> break the encryption WILL involve creating
> vulnerabilities (there's simply no way around this),
> and those vulnerabilities will then be available for
> criminals (the bar may be higher than shoelaces, maybe
> they can button their own shirts as well) to exploit
> and compromise data that is legitimately encrypted.
>
> In summary - there is no upside to this proposed
> legislation as far as encryption goes, and there is a
> significant potential downside.
>
> It cannot be allowed to pass.
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov. 2018, 12:09 pm Paul Wilkins
> <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com
> <mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering when the other shoe will drop that
> the Bill enables mass collection and analysis of
> metadata without any further legislation needed.
> Or the implications that metadata from multiple
> sources (phone towers/CCTV/Social Media), lays the
> foundations for the establishment of the machinery
> of a police state. Of course, this will make
> prosecution of crime straightforward (the police
> will only need to correlate crime against a
> database of the public's electronic fingerprints).
> However, such powerful machinery can be used for
> oppressive purposes, and the Bill is absent the
> checks and balances consistent with the traditions
> and institutions of Liberal Democracy.
>
> If one were cynical you might think the Bill's
> outrageous overreach is deliberate, a Trumpist
> ploy to enrage the unthinking. And when we see
> critics of the Bill slandered for being weak on
> terrorism, maybe not so wide of the mark or so
> cynical.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 04:15, Scott Weeks
> <surfer at mauigateway.com
> <mailto:surfer at mauigateway.com>> wrote:
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 18:12, Christian Heinrich
> <christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au
> <mailto:christian.heinrich at cmlh.id.au>> wrote:
> >
> https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-police-arrest-three-people-allegedly-planning-a-terror-attack-in-melbourne/news-story/e6a92273b37dce750937e1e0f86a7dcd
> > has quoted Mr Dutton on WhatsApp again but
> from my reading WhatsApp
> > was not used in this specific case?
>
> This has now been alleged within
> https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/unacceptable-risk-the-secret-way-terrorists-and-criminals-are-communicating/news-story/731ca32e7432601d6b3ce5ca4f34bf80
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> These stories read like gov't scare tactics.
> Scare people
> enough and they'll 'give up liberty for a
> little safety'.
> They do not read like objective journalism.'
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> How did they catch everyone without
> eliminating privacy
> anyway? Good ol' police work?
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