[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Robert Hudson]

(Not necessarily a direct response to Paul's email, just additional data
for the thread).

Traditional media are starting to pick this up, and they're just parroting
the govt position. Macquarie Radio news at 8am ran a story on it this
morning, and it was all about Dutton saying he wants the legislation passed
quickly so they can catch more terrorists.

Other than the point well made by Paul Brooks that the only criminals who
will be caught by this are the dumb ones (there was a link made between
this proposed legislation and three potential terrorists were were arrested
- without this legislation in place), and the smarter criminals (ie those
capable of tieing their own shoe laces) will simply use software that is
not subject to the legislation, there is an extension - to break the
encryption WILL involve creating vulnerabilities (there's simply no way
around this), and those vulnerabilities will then be available for
criminals (the bar may be higher than shoelaces, maybe they can button
their own shirts as well) to exploit and compromise data that is
legitimately encrypted.

In summary - there is no upside to this proposed legislation as far as
encryption goes, and there is a significant potential downside.

It cannot be allowed to pass.

On Wed, 21 Nov. 2018, 12:09 pm Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com wrote:

> I'm wondering when the other shoe will drop that the Bill enables mass
> collection and analysis of metadata without any further legislation needed.
> Or the implications that metadata from multiple sources (phone
> towers/CCTV/Social Media), lays the foundations for the establishment of
> the machinery of a police state. Of course, this will make prosecution of
> crime straightforward (the police will only need to correlate crime against
> a database of the public's electronic fingerprints). However, such powerful
> machinery can be used for oppressive purposes, and the Bill is absent the
> checks and balances consistent with the traditions and institutions of
> Liberal Democracy.
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> If one were cynical you might think the Bill's outrageous overreach is
> deliberate, a Trumpist ploy to enrage the unthinking. And when we see
> critics of the Bill slandered for being weak on terrorism, maybe not so
> wide of the mark or so cynical.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 04:15, Scott Weeks <surfer at mauigateway.com> wrote:
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>> https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-police-arrest-three-people-allegedly-planning-a-terror-attack-in-melbourne/news-story/e6a92273b37dce750937e1e0f86a7dcd
>> > has quoted Mr Dutton on WhatsApp again but from my reading WhatsApp
>> > was not used in this specific case?
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>> This has now been alleged within
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>> https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/unacceptable-risk-the-secret-way-terrorists-and-criminals-are-communicating/news-story/731ca32e7432601d6b3ce5ca4f34bf80
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>> These stories read like gov't scare tactics.  Scare people
>> enough and they'll 'give up liberty for a little safety'.
>> They do not read like objective journalism.'
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>> How did they catch everyone without eliminating privacy
>> anyway?  Good ol' police work?
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