<div dir="auto">(Not necessarily a direct response to Paul's email, just additional data for the thread).<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Traditional media are starting to pick this up, and they're just parroting the govt position. Macquarie Radio news at 8am ran a story on it this morning, and it was all about Dutton saying he wants the legislation passed quickly so they can catch more terrorists.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Other than the point well made by Paul Brooks that the only criminals who will be caught by this are the dumb ones (there was a link made between this proposed legislation and three potential terrorists were were arrested - without this legislation in place), and the smarter criminals (ie those capable of tieing their own shoe laces) will simply use software that is not subject to the legislation, there is an extension - to break the encryption WILL involve creating vulnerabilities (there's simply no way around this), and those vulnerabilities will then be available for criminals (the bar may be higher than shoelaces, maybe they can button their own shirts as well) to exploit and compromise data that is legitimately encrypted.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In summary - there is no upside to this proposed legislation as far as encryption goes, and there is a significant potential downside.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It cannot be allowed to pass.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 21 Nov. 2018, 12:09 pm Paul Wilkins <<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I'm wondering when the other shoe will drop that the Bill enables mass collection and analysis of metadata without any further legislation needed. Or the implications that metadata from multiple sources (phone towers/CCTV/Social Media), lays the foundations for the establishment of the machinery of a police state. Of course, this will make prosecution of crime straightforward (the police will only need to correlate crime against a database of the public's electronic fingerprints). However, such powerful machinery can be used for oppressive purposes, and the Bill is absent the checks and balances consistent with the traditions and institutions of Liberal Democracy.<br> <br>If one were cynical you might think the Bill's outrageous overreach is deliberate, a Trumpist ploy to enrage the unthinking. And when we see critics of the Bill slandered for being weak on terrorism, maybe not so wide of the mark or so cynical.<br><br>Kind regards<br><br>Paul Wilkins<br><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 at 04:15, Scott Weeks <<a href="mailto:surfer@mauigateway.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">surfer@mauigateway.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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> <a href="https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-police-arrest-three-people-allegedly-planning-a-terror-attack-in-melbourne/news-story/e6a92273b37dce750937e1e0f86a7dcd" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/victoria-police-arrest-three-people-allegedly-planning-a-terror-attack-in-melbourne/news-story/e6a92273b37dce750937e1e0f86a7dcd</a><br>
> has quoted Mr Dutton on WhatsApp again but from my reading WhatsApp<br>
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This has now been alleged within<br>
<a href="https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/unacceptable-risk-the-secret-way-terrorists-and-criminals-are-communicating/news-story/731ca32e7432601d6b3ce5ca4f34bf80" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.news.com.au/technology/gadgets/mobile-phones/unacceptable-risk-the-secret-way-terrorists-and-criminals-are-communicating/news-story/731ca32e7432601d6b3ce5ca4f34bf80</a><br>
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These stories read like gov't scare tactics. Scare people <br>
enough and they'll 'give up liberty for a little safety'.<br>
They do not read like objective journalism.'<br>
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How did they catch everyone without eliminating privacy<br>
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