[AusNOG] HE Routing (not a joke)

[Mark Andrews]

> On 16 May 2018, at 9:59 am, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:
> 
> So I guess its unlikely that HE will fix the routing to Telstra, Optus, AAPT anytime soon. 

Shouldn’t that be Optus, Telstra and AAPT won’t fix the routing to HE anytime soon?
They can ALL initiate the fix.  I believe HE has very open peering policies.

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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Nick Stallman <nick at agentpoint.com>
> Date: 16/5/18 7:32 am (GMT+08:00)
> To: Pieter Berkel <pieter.berkel at gmail.com>, McDonald Richards <mcdonald.richards at gmail.com>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] HE Routing (not a joke)
> 
> A beancounter must have realised they had lots of unused Australia -> US capacity and decided they wanted to make some profit from it.
> 
> On 16/05/18 09:29, Pieter Berkel wrote:
>> Fair -- but where does "bits we both end up paying for" fit into that spectrum?
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 May 2018 at 09:25, McDonald Richards <mcdonald.richards at gmail.com> wrote:
>> standard route policy: bits you pay me for > bits I get for free > bits I pay for.
>> 
>> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Pieter Berkel <pieter.berkel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Matt and Gavin are right: this asymmetric routing seems to only impacts providers that buy transit from HE in SJC (TPG and Vocus being the two main ones I've noticed).  It would appear from the below post that HE policy is to preference transit over peering links (presuming that AS paths for both are the same length?):
>> 
>> https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=233763&page_no=2#2006292
>> 
>> (Although I'm not quite sure how the reverse might break routing, it might break their business model?).  I guess it's up to Vocus & TPG to figure out how fix if it becomes a problem for them.
>> 
>> Edwin: there is some merit to having a routable /48 to experiment with, not sure if Internode supply that sort of IPv6 subnet to ADSL customers?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 16 May 2018 at 09:05, Dave Browning <dave at sentrian.com.au> wrote:
>> All good if on MegaIX SYD
>> 
>> Tracing route to tserv1.syd1.he.net [216.218.142.50]
>> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>> 
>>   1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  vl666.cr01.b1.bne.qld.au.sentrian.net.au [103.226.9.138]
>>   2    15 ms    16 ms    14 ms  vl3.cr01.s1.syd.nsw.au.sentrian.net.au [103.226.9.245]
>>   3    13 ms    16 ms    14 ms  as6939.sydney.megaport.com [103.26.68.236]
>>   4    12 ms    19 ms    15 ms  tserv1.syd1.he.net [216.218.142.50]
>> 
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