[AusNOG] HE Routing (not a joke)

Wed May 16 10:07:42 EST 2018

Hi Bradley,

They seemed entirely uninterested in solving their lack of domestic GoF
routes when I challenged them on this topic when they tried to sell me IP
transit a few months back.

My guess is they built out their AU presence on the back of a few lucrative
L2 transport customers, and are basically just fishing for any poor suckers
that want to pick up some cheap international-only transit until they
further expand their AU footprint (and GoF routing).

Regards,

Benoit Page-Guitard
Network Engineer
Digital Pacific Group

Phone: 1300 MY HOST (694 678)
Email: benoit.page at digitalpacific.com.au
Website: https://www.digitalpacific.com.au

On 15 May 2018 at 19:59, Bradley Amm <brad at bradleyamm.com> wrote:

> So I guess its unlikely that HE will fix the routing to Telstra, Optus,
> AAPT anytime soon.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Nick Stallman <nick at agentpoint.com>
> Date: 16/5/18 7:32 am (GMT+08:00)
> To: Pieter Berkel <pieter.berkel at gmail.com>, McDonald Richards <
> mcdonald.richards at gmail.com>
> Cc: ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] HE Routing (not a joke)
>
> A beancounter must have realised they had lots of unused Australia -> US
> capacity and decided they wanted to make some profit from it.
>
> On 16/05/18 09:29, Pieter Berkel wrote:
>
> Fair -- but where does "bits we both end up paying for" fit into that
> spectrum?
>
>
> On 16 May 2018 at 09:25, McDonald Richards <mcdonald.richards at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> standard route policy: bits you pay me for > bits I get for free > bits I
>> pay for.
>>
>> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 9:23 AM, Pieter Berkel <pieter.berkel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Matt and Gavin are right: this asymmetric routing seems to only impacts
>>> providers that buy transit from HE in SJC (TPG and Vocus being the two main
>>> ones I've noticed).  It would appear from the below post that HE policy is
>>> to preference transit over peering links (presuming that AS paths for both
>>> are the same length?):
>>>
>>> https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=233
>>> 763&page_no=2#2006292
>>>
>>> (Although I'm not quite sure how the reverse might break routing, it
>>> might break their business model?).  I guess it's up to Vocus & TPG to
>>> figure out how fix if it becomes a problem for them.
>>>
>>> Edwin: there is some merit to having a routable /48 to experiment with,
>>> not sure if Internode supply that sort of IPv6 subnet to ADSL customers?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 May 2018 at 09:05, Dave Browning <dave at sentrian.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All good if on MegaIX SYD
>>>>
>>>> Tracing route to tserv1.syd1.he.net [216.218.142.50]
>>>> over a maximum of 30 hops:
>>>>
>>>>   1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  vl666.cr01.b1.bne.qld.au.sentr
>>>> ian.net.au [103.226.9.138]
>>>>   2    15 ms    16 ms
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=2%C2%A0+%C2%A0+15+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+16+ms&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>   14 ms  vl3.cr01.s1.syd.nsw.au.sentrian.net.au [103.226.9.245]
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=245%5D+%0D%0A%C2%A0+3%C2%A0+%C2%A0+13+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+16+ms&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>   3    13 ms    16 ms    14 ms  as6939.sydney.megaport.com
>>>> [103.26.68.236]
>>>>   4    12 ms    19 ms
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=4%C2%A0+%C2%A0+12+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+19+ms&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>   15 ms  tserv1.syd1.he.net [216.218.142.50]
>>>>
>>>> Dave Browning | Network Engineer
>>>> P 1300 791 678
>>>> Level 1, 12 Railway Tce, Milton QLD 4064
>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=12+Railway+Tce,+Milton+QLD+4064&entry=gmail&source=g>
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