[AusNOG] [AUSNOG] MS patches Intel memory management
Scott Howard
scott at doc.net.au
Sun Jan 14 12:12:58 EST 2018
Why would they do that when in most cases the impact will be a few percent?
Should they also increase prices if they release new ucode that makes
things faster (which they do, on occasion)
Scott
On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Well the problem's fixable, so caveat emptor due diligence etc. the
> consumer now knows they're buying a flawed CPU. The question is whether
> Intel should drop their price point 30% to account for the diminished CPU.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
> On 14 January 2018 at 11:20, Michelle Sullivan <michelle at sorbs.net> wrote:
>
>> Paul Wilkins wrote:
>>
>>> Latest advice from Intel:
>>>
>>> https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTE
>>> L-SA-00088&languageid=en-fr
>>>
>>> No mention of warranty :)
>>>
>>> News to me, defect applies also in AMD and ARM.
>>>
>>> Very interested to hear if anyone takes this to Dep't Fair Trading and
>>> the response.
>>>
>>>
>> What will be as interesting is the word on why they are still selling
>> flawed processors.... especially as they have indicated there is no way to
>> fix it with an update. Can you imagine selling a car that doesn't actually
>> have working brakes and then saying, "not our problem it's working as
>> designed"...
>>
>> Michelle
>>
>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 January 2018 at 11:50, James Hodgkinson <yaleman at ricetek.net
>>> <mailto:yaleman at ricetek.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep, we have security appliances sold on performance figures
>>> that’ll be checked and pointed at pretty firmly post patching.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2018, at 09:57, Mark Newton wrote:
>>>
>>>> The phrase, “Of merchantable quality and fitness for purpose,”
>>>> will become increasingly familiar to vendors over the next few
>>>> weeks.
>>>>
>>>> Note that if you have relied on performance statements from a
>>>> server vendor, and that performance can’t be delivered because
>>>> the CPU can’t operate as advertised, both the CPU vendor /and the
>>>> server vendor/ have an obligation to make good.
>>>>
>>>> Start on page 5:
>>>> https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Warranties%20and%20refu
>>>> nds%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20consumers%20and%20business.pdf
>>>> <https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Warranties%20and%20ref
>>>> unds%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20consumers%20and%20business.pdf>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:18 AM, Giles Pollock <glp71s at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:glp71s at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From their warranty section:
>>>>>
>>>>> WHAT THIS LIMITED WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER:
>>>>> • design defects or errors in the Product (Errata). Contact
>>>>> Intel for information on characterized errata.
>>>>> • any costs associated with the repair or replacement of the
>>>>> Product, including costs of removal or replacement of the Product;
>>>>> • damage to the Product, or errors or malfunctions in the
>>>>> Product, due to accident, abnormal electrical, mechanical or
>>>>> environmental conditions, use contrary to product instructions,
>>>>> misuse, neglect, alteration, mishandling, repair, improper
>>>>> installation or testing, combinations with incompatible products
>>>>> or any third party virus, infection, worm or similar malicious
>>>>> code;
>>>>> • that the Product will protect against all possible security
>>>>> threats, including intentional misconduct by third parties;
>>>>> • any Product which has been modified or operated outside of
>>>>> Intel’s publicly available specifications, including where clock
>>>>> frequencies or voltages have been altered, or where the original
>>>>> identification markings have been removed, altered or
>>>>> obliterated. Intel assumes no responsibility that the Product,
>>>>> including if used with altered clock frequencies or voltages,
>>>>> will be fit for any particular purpose and will not cause any
>>>>> damage or injury.
>>>>>
>>>>> Option 1 and 4 seems to have them covered :-(
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:07 AM, James Hodgkinson
>>>>> <yaleman at ricetek.net <mailto:yaleman at ricetek.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Watch them pull out the “this warranty doesn’t actually
>>>>> cover anything, and we don’t say it’ll work in all
>>>>> conditions” card. It’ll be nice to get a free CPU if they do
>>>>> have to, however! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, at 18:32, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If the hardware is under warranty, I'd be expecting the
>>>>>> vendor to replace the CPU's with updated ones which are not
>>>>>> affected? (oh man that's going to hurt Intel?)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4 January 2018 at 16:31, Burt Mascareigne
>>>>>> <Burt at stormnetwork.com.au
>>>>>> <mailto:Burt at stormnetwork.com.au>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, with this performance hit, does that mean we have
>>>>>> to buy more Intel Servers to cope O_o
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Burt Mascareigne
>>>>>> Mobile* 0414 450 962 *Office* (02) 9965 5422
>>>>>> *Address* Level 19, 1 O’Connell Street, Sydney NSW 2000
>>>>>> *Web* http://www.stormnetwork.com.au
>>>>>> <http://www.stormnetwork.com.au/> <image002.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>>> <mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net>] *On Behalf Of
>>>>>> *Paul Wilkins
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 4 January 2018 3:52 PM
>>>>>> *To:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
>>>>>> <mailto:ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
>>>>>> *Subject:* [AusNOG] [AUSNOG] MS patches Intel memory
>>>>>> management
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fix for security bug in Intel CPUs will be released
>>>>>> patch Tuesday, and predictions are of a 5 - 30%
>>>>>> performance hit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is a problem in cloud, but I'm sure it will all be
>>>>>> good on the day :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Paul Wilkins
>>>>>>
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