<div dir="ltr">Why would they do that when in most cases the impact will be a few percent?<div><br></div><div>Should they also increase prices if they release new ucode that makes things faster (which they do, on occasion)</div><div><br></div><div> Scott</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Paul Wilkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Well the problem's fixable, so caveat emptor due diligence etc. the consumer now knows they're buying a flawed CPU. The question is whether Intel should drop their price point 30% to account for the diminished CPU.<br><br></div>Kind regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Paul Wilkins<br></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 14 January 2018 at 11:20, Michelle Sullivan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michelle@sorbs.net" target="_blank">michelle@sorbs.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Latest advice from Intel:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00088&languageid=en-fr" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://security-center.intel.<wbr>com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTE<wbr>L-SA-00088&languageid=en-fr</a><br>
<br>
No mention of warranty :)<br>
<br>
News to me, defect applies also in AMD and ARM.<br>
<br>
Very interested to hear if anyone takes this to Dep't Fair Trading and the response.<br>
<br>
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What will be as interesting is the word on why they are still selling flawed processors.... especially as they have indicated there is no way to fix it with an update. Can you imagine selling a car that doesn't actually have working brakes and then saying, "not our problem it's working as designed"...<br>
<br>
Michelle<br>
<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Kind regards<br>
<br>
Paul Wilkins<span><br>
<br>
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On 8 January 2018 at 11:50, James Hodgkinson <<a href="mailto:yaleman@ricetek.net" target="_blank">yaleman@ricetek.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:yaleman@ricetek.net" target="_blank">yaleman@ricetek.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Yep, we have security appliances sold on performance figures<br>
that’ll be checked and pointed at pretty firmly post patching.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, 8 Jan 2018, at 09:57, Mark Newton wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>
The phrase, “Of merchantable quality and fitness for purpose,”<br>
will become increasingly familiar to vendors over the next few weeks.<br>
<br>
Note that if you have relied on performance statements from a<br>
server vendor, and that performance can’t be delivered because<br></span>
the CPU can’t operate as advertised, both the CPU vendor /and the<br>
server vendor/ have an obligation to make good.<span><br>
<br>
Start on page 5:<br>
<a href="https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Warranties%20and%20refunds%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20consumers%20and%20business.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.accc.gov.au/system<wbr>/files/Warranties%20and%20refu<wbr>nds%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20co<wbr>nsumers%20and%20business.pdf</a><br>
<<a href="https://www.accc.gov.au/system/files/Warranties%20and%20refunds%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20consumers%20and%20business.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.accc.gov.au/syste<wbr>m/files/Warranties%20and%20ref<wbr>unds%20-%20a%20guide%20for%20c<wbr>onsumers%20and%20business.pdf</a>><br>
<br>
<br>
- mark<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jan 5, 2018, at 1:18 AM, Giles Pollock <<a href="mailto:glp71s@gmail.com" target="_blank">glp71s@gmail.com</a><br></span>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:glp71s@gmail.com" target="_blank">glp71s@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_1110593780611489978h5">
<br>
From their warranty section:<br>
<br>
WHAT THIS LIMITED WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER:<br>
• design defects or errors in the Product (Errata). Contact<br>
Intel for information on characterized errata.<br>
• any costs associated with the repair or replacement of the<br>
Product, including costs of removal or replacement of the Product;<br>
• damage to the Product, or errors or malfunctions in the<br>
Product, due to accident, abnormal electrical, mechanical or<br>
environmental conditions, use contrary to product instructions,<br>
misuse, neglect, alteration, mishandling, repair, improper<br>
installation or testing, combinations with incompatible products<br>
or any third party virus, infection, worm or similar malicious<br>
code;<br>
• that the Product will protect against all possible security<br>
threats, including intentional misconduct by third parties;<br>
• any Product which has been modified or operated outside of<br>
Intel’s publicly available specifications, including where clock<br>
frequencies or voltages have been altered, or where the original<br>
identification markings have been removed, altered or<br>
obliterated. Intel assumes no responsibility that the Product,<br>
including if used with altered clock frequencies or voltages,<br>
will be fit for any particular purpose and will not cause any<br>
damage or injury.<br>
<br>
Option 1 and 4 seems to have them covered :-(<br>
<br>
On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:07 AM, James Hodgkinson<br></div></div><span>
<<a href="mailto:yaleman@ricetek.net" target="_blank">yaleman@ricetek.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:yaleman@ricetek.net" target="_blank">yaleman@ricetek.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Watch them pull out the “this warranty doesn’t actually<br>
cover anything, and we don’t say it’ll work in all<br>
conditions” card. It’ll be nice to get a free CPU if they do<br>
have to, however! :)<br>
<br>
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018, at 18:32, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span>
If the hardware is under warranty, I'd be expecting the<br>
vendor to replace the CPU's with updated ones which are not<br>
affected? (oh man that's going to hurt Intel?)<br>
<br>
On 4 January 2018 at 16:31, Burt Mascareigne<br>
<<a href="mailto:Burt@stormnetwork.com.au" target="_blank">Burt@stormnetwork.com.au</a><br></span><span>
<mailto:<a href="mailto:Burt@stormnetwork.com.au" target="_blank">Burt@stormnetwork.com.<wbr>au</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
So, with this performance hit, does that mean we have<br>
to buy more Intel Servers to cope O_o<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></span>
*Burt Mascareigne<br>
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management<br>
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Fix for security bug in Intel CPUs will be released<br>
patch Tuesday, and predictions are of a 5 - 30%<br>
performance hit.<br>
<br>
This is a problem in cloud, but I'm sure it will all be<br>
good on the day :)<br>
<br>
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