[AusNOG] Assistance and Access Bill moves to PJCIS

[Paul Wilkins]

Per the APH calendar
<https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/House_of_Representatives/About_the_House_News/This_week_in_the_House>
they were supposed to kick off with the the Assistance and Access, but
Frydenberg is now talking to Treasury Laws Amendment.

On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 12:20, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com> wrote:

> If Australia passes this into law, we become the source of data for the
> others. We just do the dirty work for them.
>
> Why have a dog and do your own barking? Why spy on your citizens when
> Australia can do it for you?
>
> On Wed, 5 Dec. 2018, 11:49 am Paul Wilkins <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> "If this passes I can see similar legislation being introduced in other
>> jurisdictions."
>>
>> I think this legislation and all its warts is going to be a particularly
>> Australian feature.
>>
>> The UK have RIPA already, which will probably become enforceable law
>> after Brexit but there the notices require judicial approval. Europe is a
>> no go due to GDPR and America has the 2nd Amendment, so surveilling
>> citizens is a non starter.
>>
>> So far I've not seen any mention the interim law will have a sunset
>> clause. Let's see, but if there's to be new legislation after the election,
>> we may get a very different result.
>>
>> Without a sunset clause, political reality, we'll have to wear a botched
>> job.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Paul Wilkins
>>
>> On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 at 10:30, Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 5 Dec 2018, at 9:54 am, Ross Wheeler <rossw at albury.net.au> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, 5 Dec 2018, Mark Andrews wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> More than likely they will get the app developer to make
>>> >> a custom version,
>>> >
>>> > I wonder if they pay the app developer for this "service"?
>>> > If the developer is outside Australian jurisdiction, how can they
>>> “persuade"
>>> > the developer to comply? And what's to stop the developer telling all
>>> and
>>> > sundry what the changes were?
>>>
>>> If this passes I can see similar legislation being introduced in other
>>> jurisdictions.  Also “you cannot sell to Australians” with enforced
>>> removal from app stores is likely to happen.  From the government’s
>>> perspective removal of the app is just as good as a compromised app.
>>>
>>> >> Most people will update when they are told the app is out of date.
>>> >
>>> > After this legislation passes, I think a great many people - especially
>>> > those doing things that may bring them to the attention of authorities
>>> -
>>> > will be highly suspicious of "updates" of all sorts.
>>>
>>> They still have to communicate with the rest of the world which is moving
>>> on.
>>>
>>> >> We are training people to update regularly to close security holes.
>>> >
>>> > Or, to open new ones, as the case may soon be.
>>>
>>> In general updating is the safer thing to do despite the small
>>> risk of new bugs being introduced especially if it update is
>>> billed as a maintenance release.
>>>
>>> >> Alternatively they will covertly install the updated version
>>> >> on the device.
>>> >
>>> > If they have the ability to do that now, why are the extra powers
>>> required?
>>>
>>> Reverse engineering a fake app to make it behave like the original app is
>>> difficult and error prone.  Much simpler to get the developer to add the
>>> covert logging capability to the existing app.
>>>
>>> > R.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mark Andrews, ISC
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>>> PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742              INTERNET: marka at isc.org
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