[AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill

[Chad Kelly]

Facebook do have their own network globally and they also have Facebook 
Messenger, and a lot of the service is encrypted so this bill would very 
much apply to them.

It isn't just a website they have an entire platform ware Apps for both 
mobile and desktop can be created and the network side of it as well, 
they have an extensive network.

I think the issue with these bills is they are so dam vague and the 
government don't have a great record when it comes to anything IT related.




On 8/18/2018 4:57 PM, Robert Hudson wrote:
> This bill has nothing to do with content on Facebook (or websites run 
> by content creators, or even websites at all).
>
> The Internet is nothing like broadcast mediums such as radio and 
> television, and cannot be regulated in the same way.
>
> This bill should never pass.
>
>
> On Sat, 18 Aug. 2018, 4:51 pm Chad Kelly, <chad at cpkws.com.au 
> <mailto:chad at cpkws.com.au>> wrote:
>
>     On 8/18/2018 12:00 PM, ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net
>     <mailto:ausnog-request at lists.ausnog.net> wrote:
>
>     > Possible scenario:
>     >
>     > 3:00am Sunday morning, phone rings at the DC reception, is
>     picked up by
>     > security. "Hi, we've never met. This is Paul Symon of ASIS. I'm
>     sending
>     > some uniformed AFP officers over to sieze a number of servers.
>     This call
>     > constitutes a verbal technical assistance notice, and non compliance
>     > carries a penalty of 5 years imprisonment".
>     Given how most Datacentres work in this country I doubt this would
>     happen.
>     You generally need to be escorted by security into the areas ware
>     equipment is housed and generally requests need to be made in writing
>     and an appointment needs to be booked.
>     You can't just walk in off the street, and you also need photo ID
>     which
>     gets scanned and stored for a period of at least 12 months, when
>     you enter.
>     You can't even just walk into the DC as a customer, hell for some of
>     them you even need an induction before you can set foot in them.
>     If someone did try this the operator would just demand something in
>     writing and hang up the phone.
>     Also security don't take phone calls that would be the on call
>     techs  job.
>     The UK 10 or 12 years ago doesn't really apply to Au law and it was
>     Verizon, who are a US company and they are now a lot larger then they
>     were 11 years ago and Publicly listed.
>     So I would suspect security at their facilities would be improved
>     and a
>     lot of those providers are getting out of the DC space and partnering
>     with the likes of AWS anyway so they don't need to take
>     responsibility
>     for hardware.
>
>     This bill has come about because of Facebook and them allowing
>     video of
>     child abuse to remain on the platform.
>     If Facebook had been proactive and handed over the content to the AFP
>     and the FBI as well as all of the users details none of this would
>     even
>     be being discussed.
>     The Internet needs regulation just like Radio and Television.
>     This bill should of been passed 20 years ago in reality.
>
>     Regards Chad.
>
>     -- 
>     Chad Kelly
>     Manager
>     CPK Web Services
>     Phone 03 5273 0246
>     Web www.cpkws.com.au <http://www.cpkws.com.au>
>
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-- 
Chad Kelly
Manager
CPK Web Services
Phone 03 5273 0246
Web www.cpkws.com.au

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