[AusNOG] Is there such thing as peering with Telstra in Australia

[Andrew Khoo]

i guess if there was some economic value for telstra to peer with you settlement-free they would have done it already?




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From: AusNOG <ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Alex Samad <alex at samad.com.au>
Sent: Friday, March 3, 2017 9:09:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Is there such thing as peering with Telstra in Australia

Has any one thought of challenging that now that there has been a change / enough time has passed ?

Alex

On 2 March 2017 at 16:14, James Andrewartha <trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au<mailto:trs80 at ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi Paul,

On Thu, 2 Mar 2017, Paul Holmanskikh wrote:

> Is there any way to peer with Telsta AS1221 within Australia? They are not
> present on any IX in Australia. But it seems the only way to peer with Telstra
> is to buy transit from them.But transit from Telstra costs absolutely insane
> money. I'm looking for peering because Telstra's customers generates good
> amount of traffic on our transit links.

No. Since you're not a member of the Gang of Four, Telstra has no
obligation or desire to peer with you (or anyone else). Some history:

http://blog.internode.on.net/2011/05/16/peering-policy-gaps-nbn/

"Historically, the ACCC recognised this problem in 1998 and took
enforcement action to require peering between IP networks. However, the
determination made at the time was fatally flawed. The ACCC decided
(incorrectly) at the time that the (then) dominant four players had to
peer – but no requirement was placed upon those four to peer with anyone
else, ever. All subsequent requests and attempts to peer with Telstra and
Optus since then have been rejected by those network providers."

See also https://blog.cloudflare.com/bandwidth-costs-around-the-world/

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