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<div>i guess if there was some economic value for telstra to peer with you settlement-free they would have done it already?</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net> on behalf of Alex Samad <alex@samad.com.au><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 3, 2017 9:09:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ausnog<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Is there such thing as peering with Telstra in Australia</font>
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<div dir="ltr">Has any one thought of challenging that now that there has been a change / enough time has passed ?
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 2 March 2017 at 16:14, James Andrewartha <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au" target="_blank">trs80@ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Hi Paul,<br>
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On Thu, 2 Mar 2017, Paul Holmanskikh wrote:<br>
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> Is there any way to peer with Telsta AS1221 within Australia? They are not<br>
> present on any IX in Australia. But it seems the only way to peer with Telstra<br>
> is to buy transit from them.But transit from Telstra costs absolutely insane<br>
> money. I'm looking for peering because Telstra's customers generates good<br>
> amount of traffic on our transit links.<br>
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</span>No. Since you're not a member of the Gang of Four, Telstra has no<br>
obligation or desire to peer with you (or anyone else). Some history:<br>
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<a href="http://blog.internode.on.net/2011/05/16/peering-policy-gaps-nbn/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://blog.internode.on.net/<wbr>2011/05/16/peering-policy-<wbr>gaps-nbn/</a><br>
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"Historically, the ACCC recognised this problem in 1998 and took<br>
enforcement action to require peering between IP networks. However, the<br>
determination made at the time was fatally flawed. The ACCC decided<br>
(incorrectly) at the time that the (then) dominant four players had to<br>
peer – but no requirement was placed upon those four to peer with anyone<br>
else, ever. All subsequent requests and attempts to peer with Telstra and<br>
Optus since then have been rejected by those network providers."<br>
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See also <a href="https://blog.cloudflare.com/bandwidth-costs-around-the-world/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://blog.cloudflare.com/<wbr>bandwidth-costs-around-the-<wbr>world/</a><br>
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