[AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email

Tue Sep 6 09:43:17 EST 2016

Yeah... no.

We're much smarter than them. We could convince them of anything we wanted
to.

...Skeeve

*Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect* - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
Email: skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com

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On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Dylan Chidgey <
dylan.chidgey at cirruscomms.com.au> wrote:

> Gents,
>
>
>
> This came through the ISP-SIG yesterday and might alleviate a few concerns:
>
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> "If, at any time during the term or after the completion date of this
> Agreement the department determines that:
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> a)            there remains an amount of grant funds that has not been
> spent or
>
> legally committed for expenditure in accordance with the Agreement; or
>
> b)            grant funds have not been spent in accordance with the
> Agreement,"
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>
>
> then we have to refund within 20 days such amounts.
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>
>
> Cheers
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>
>
> Dylan.
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>
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> *From:* AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of *Laurens
> Lafebre
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 6 September 2016 3:53 AM
> *To:* Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>
> *Cc:* <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog at lists.ausnog.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email
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> For those that are doing wrong. Good on you for outing them skeeve
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>
>
> Realworld definitely does not deserve or needs $1,700,000 to do data
> retention.
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>
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> Surely someone is going to look into this? Let's not have them or others
> be the reason for our industry to get a black eye.
>
> We ALL need to speak up.
>
>
>
> LL
> (Traveling)
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>
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog@
> eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
> All,
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>
>
> The list: https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/
> DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf
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>
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> I am absolutely stunned by this list and how much people asked for - and
> got.
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>
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> Sure, there are people who needed the money to comply, but I think a lot
> of people are taking advantage of the system and should be ashamed of
> themselves for how much they asked for.
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>
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> Yes, the government did a shit job, but this is community money - needed
> for us to comply with a stupid law. Not a slush fund for people to build up
> their business.
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>
>
> Universities - I don't understand. System Integrators - bullshit. VoIP
> providers, you are are already logging call details - why do most of you
> need anything?
>
> If everyone IT integrator in the country claimed, we'd have over 2k-3k
> applicants and no one getting much at all.
>
>
>
> I think a lot of people are buying new networking equipment with these
> funds. I am not sure the fund was designed to build the networks of ISPs.
>
>
>
> Some of the massive requests are astounding and begs the question "WHAT
> are people buying with it?"
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>
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> I think the AG make all the applications public since they've made the
> result public. We need context to some of these extremely excessive
> allocations.
>
>
>
> There is no jealousy here. There is a dozen of my customers on the list,
> but all mostly realistic.
>
>
>
> Those that say we should just move on have no respect for the stewardship
> of these resources.
>
>
>
> Bring on the flames.
>
>
>
> ---
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>
>
> Going through the list (Never heard of many of them):
>
>
>
> - *Ace* - 294k - You are a small regional ISP... 294k?! C'mon, you need
> to justify it.
>
>
>
> - *Amaysim* - 69k - You are a big phone reseller - is this all you need?
> #respect
>
>
>
> - *APN* - 373k - Now Activ8me?  Regional ISP. You need to justify it.
>
>
>
> - *Bluenet* - Aren't you just a VISP off RealWorld? 30k for what? (See
> below)
>
>
>
> - *Broadband Solutions*. Guys, Why 2.2million. You *REALLY* need to
> justify that. Exetel, BigAir, M2, Vocus are all way less. Please explain
>
>
>
> - *BT* - 4 applications? Really? Total $376k+ - Justify it.
>
>
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> - *CipherTel* - Regional and Remote WA. 439k... Justify it.
>
>
>
> - *Cirrus Communications* - 18k. Your network is massive. Is that all you
> really need? If so.. #respect
>
>
>
> - *Cloud Comm* - Who are you? 236k
>
>
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> - *Comscentre* - 840k... C'mon really?  Justify it.
>
>
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> - *Connectivity IT* - 244k. Please Justify it Tom.
>
>
>
> - *CountryTell* - 180k. Curious... seems a lot for a regional ISP. Please
> explain
>
>
>
> - *Curtin University* - 368k... I don't understand.
>
>
>
> - *Easyweb Digital* - 404k. For what? Your website doesn't even say ISP,
> and WiFi doesn't count. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Firenet* - 169k - I think you are going to need to explain this.
>
>
>
> - *First Focus* - 153k - But it doesn't even look like you are an ISP?
> Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Frontier Networks* - 301k - It doesn't look like you'd need this
> much.. Please explain
>
>
>
> - *GoPC* - 150k. Graeme? I don't get it. You will need to explain this.
> As far as I know, you are not an ISP.
>
>
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> - *Griffith Uni* - 719k. Another Uni...
>
>
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> - *Interactive Gateway* - Who? You look like an integrator, not an ISP.
> Please explain.
>
>
>
> *- IP Voice & Data / Vonex* - 290k. You are mostly voice. Does it really
> cost this much to log call data which you should already do?
>
>
>
> - *M2* - 1.6M - OK you are huge, but aren't you part of Vocus now? Surely
> you can use the same systems
>
>
>
> *- Macquarie Telecom* - A lot less than I would have expected from
> someone of your size. #respect
>
>
>
> - *Message4U* - 1.2m - Ok, so you do a lot of texts... but so what?
> Please explain
>
>
>
> - *MikeIT / OpusV* - 106k - You don't seem to be an ISP. Please explain
>
>
>
> - *Mobilizer* - 89k. Total bullshit. Anyone who has ever met Damon knows
> this is a crock.
>
>
>
> *- MyNetfone* - 3m. You guys are massive in voice. But 3 million?
>
>
>
> - *Novatel* - 698k - Baby ISP with 1 or 2 routers... Does not justify
> this much. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Origin Net *- 249k - Seems excessive.. please explain
>
>
>
> - *Pivotel* - 336k - You do Satellite services? That is a lot. Please
> explain
>
>
>
> - *Professional Data Kinetics* - 352k. You're based in Wagga doing NBN.
> This is a lot. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Radcomp / ITAUS / ITNQ* - 472k. Who? Please explain
>
>
>
> - *RCOM / RNAS*. 316k. Who are you?  Please explain
>
>
>
> - *Real World* - 787k/912k. Really Andrew? 2 piles of cash? You couldn't
> use the same technology?  It is a hell of a lot of money for a network like
> yours in comparison to many people out there. 1.7 million dollars. Almost
> as much as Vocus. More than BigAir, 3 x Macquarie and *MORE* than TPG.
> You need to seriously explain yourself here.
>
>
>
> - *RMIT* - 680k. Uni again
>
>
>
> - *SIS Group* - 191k. Luke? Seems like a lot. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Spirit Telecom* - 187k. Seems like a lot. Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Tecala* - 316k. Who are you? Please explain.
>
>
>
> - *Comverge* - 227k+78k. You are mostly wholesale/Layer2/builders. Why?
> Please explain.  Why 2 applications?
>
> *- Telstra* - 40m. OK, You are massive. But given who you are, don't you
> already log most things required by the Drip? 40m seems like a lot of
> money, even for you.
>
>
>
> - *The Summit Group*. 1M. Greg, you are going to have to explain this.
>
>
>
> - *Vibe* - 364k. Big links I know... but 364k
>
>
>
> - *Uniscope* - Who?
>
>
>
> *- Uniti - *Who?
>
>
>
> - *More Universities*...  UTas 12k? Wow.
>
>
>
> *- Vodafone *- 28m. 28 million for what? You already log the hell out of
> everything - that is your job.  Even Optus only asked for 14m.
>
>
>
> - *VostroNet* - 221k. Never heard of them.
>
>
>
> - *YourFibre* - 147k. They don't even have a web presence I can find.
>
>
>
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>
>
> *Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect* - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
>
> Email: skeeve at eintellegonetworks.com ; Web: eintellegonetworks.com
>
> Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve ; LinkedIn: /in/skeeve
> <http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve> ; Expert360: Profile
> <https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9> ; Keybase: https://keybase.io/skeeve
>
>
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> LL
>
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>
> - Si vis pacem para bellum
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