[AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email

[Dylan Chidgey]

Hi Skeeve

USYD made that move as the residential colleges were a likely risk to breaching AARNETs acceptable use policy. Probably some other motivators around support etc. as well.

I know other Universities don’t have any/many residential colleges attached so they still provide services to students.

Dylan.

From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] On Behalf Of Skeeve Stevens
Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2016 1:25 AM
To: Tim Raphael <raphael.timothy at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email

Hmm. I see your point, but I don't think Universities fall under the category of being an ISP.

Even 3 years ago, Sydney Uni made this announcement - http://sydney.edu.au/news/ict/482.html?newsstoryid=12644

Curious to know peoples opinions though.


...Skeeve

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On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:57 AM, Tim Raphael <raphael.timothy at gmail.com<mailto:raphael.timothy at gmail.com>> wrote:
I believe the Universities provide residential Internet to students who live on campus. Depending on how they bill it, I guess would make some ISPs and others not.

Regards,

Tim Raphael

On 5 Sep 2016, at 9:33 PM, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com<mailto:skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com>> wrote:
All,

The list: https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf

I am absolutely stunned by this list and how much people asked for - and got.

Sure, there are people who needed the money to comply, but I think a lot of people are taking advantage of the system and should be ashamed of themselves for how much they asked for.

Yes, the government did a shit job, but this is community money - needed for us to comply with a stupid law. Not a slush fund for people to build up their business.

Universities - I don't understand. System Integrators - bullshit. VoIP providers, you are are already logging call details - why do most of you need anything?
If everyone IT integrator in the country claimed, we'd have over 2k-3k applicants and no one getting much at all.

I think a lot of people are buying new networking equipment with these funds. I am not sure the fund was designed to build the networks of ISPs.

Some of the massive requests are astounding and begs the question "WHAT are people buying with it?"

I think the AG make all the applications public since they've made the result public. We need context to some of these extremely excessive allocations.

There is no jealousy here. There is a dozen of my customers on the list, but all mostly realistic.

Those that say we should just move on have no respect for the stewardship of these resources.

Bring on the flames.

---

Going through the list (Never heard of many of them):

- Ace - 294k - You are a small regional ISP... 294k?! C'mon, you need to justify it.

- Amaysim - 69k - You are a big phone reseller - is this all you need? #respect

- APN - 373k - Now Activ8me?  Regional ISP. You need to justify it.

- Bluenet - Aren't you just a VISP off RealWorld? 30k for what? (See below)

- Broadband Solutions. Guys, Why 2.2million. You REALLY need to justify that. Exetel, BigAir, M2, Vocus are all way less. Please explain

- BT - 4 applications? Really? Total $376k+ - Justify it.

- CipherTel - Regional and Remote WA. 439k... Justify it.

- Cirrus Communications - 18k. Your network is massive. Is that all you really need? If so.. #respect

- Cloud Comm - Who are you? 236k

- Comscentre - 840k... C'mon really?  Justify it.

- Connectivity IT - 244k. Please Justify it Tom.

- CountryTell - 180k. Curious... seems a lot for a regional ISP. Please explain

- Curtin University - 368k... I don't understand.

- Easyweb Digital - 404k. For what? Your website doesn't even say ISP, and WiFi doesn't count. Please explain.

- Firenet - 169k - I think you are going to need to explain this.

- First Focus - 153k - But it doesn't even look like you are an ISP?  Please explain.

- Frontier Networks - 301k - It doesn't look like you'd need this much.. Please explain

- GoPC - 150k. Graeme? I don't get it. You will need to explain this. As far as I know, you are not an ISP.

- Griffith Uni - 719k. Another Uni...

- Interactive Gateway - Who? You look like an integrator, not an ISP. Please explain.

- IP Voice & Data / Vonex - 290k. You are mostly voice. Does it really cost this much to log call data which you should already do?

- M2 - 1.6M - OK you are huge, but aren't you part of Vocus now? Surely you can use the same systems

- Macquarie Telecom - A lot less than I would have expected from someone of your size. #respect

- Message4U - 1.2m - Ok, so you do a lot of texts... but so what? Please explain

- MikeIT / OpusV - 106k - You don't seem to be an ISP. Please explain

- Mobilizer - 89k. Total bullshit. Anyone who has ever met Damon knows this is a crock.

- MyNetfone - 3m. You guys are massive in voice. But 3 million?

- Novatel - 698k - Baby ISP with 1 or 2 routers... Does not justify this much. Please explain.

- Origin Net - 249k - Seems excessive.. please explain

- Pivotel - 336k - You do Satellite services? That is a lot. Please explain

- Professional Data Kinetics - 352k. You're based in Wagga doing NBN. This is a lot. Please explain.

- Radcomp / ITAUS / ITNQ - 472k. Who? Please explain

- RCOM / RNAS. 316k. Who are you?  Please explain

- Real World - 787k/912k. Really Andrew? 2 piles of cash? You couldn't use the same technology?  It is a hell of a lot of money for a network like yours in comparison to many people out there. 1.7 million dollars. Almost as much as Vocus. More than BigAir, 3 x Macquarie and MORE than TPG. You need to seriously explain yourself here.

- RMIT - 680k. Uni again

- SIS Group - 191k. Luke? Seems like a lot. Please explain.

- Spirit Telecom - 187k. Seems like a lot. Please explain.

- Tecala - 316k. Who are you? Please explain.

- Comverge - 227k+78k. You are mostly wholesale/Layer2/builders. Why? Please explain.  Why 2 applications?

- Telstra - 40m. OK, You are massive. But given who you are, don't you already log most things required by the Drip? 40m seems like a lot of money, even for you.

- The Summit Group. 1M. Greg, you are going to have to explain this.

- Vibe - 364k. Big links I know... but 364k

- Uniscope - Who?

- Uniti - Who?

- More Universities...  UTas 12k? Wow.

- Vodafone - 28m. 28 million for what? You already log the hell out of everything - that is your job.  Even Optus only asked for 14m.

- VostroNet - 221k. Never heard of them.

- YourFibre - 147k. They don't even have a web presence I can find.



...Skeeve

Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd
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