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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">USYD made that move as the residential colleges were a likely risk to breaching AARNETs acceptable use policy. Probably some other motivators around
support etc. as well. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I know other Universities don’t have any/many residential colleges attached so they still provide services to students.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dylan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 6 September 2016 1:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Raphael <raphael.timothy@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hmm. I see your point, but I don't think Universities fall under the category of being an ISP.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even 3 years ago, Sydney Uni made this announcement - <a href="http://sydney.edu.au/news/ict/482.html?newsstoryid=12644">
http://sydney.edu.au/news/ict/482.html?newsstoryid=12644</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Curious to know peoples opinions though.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Email: </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> ;
Web: </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><a href="http://eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">eintellegonetworks.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve ; LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">/in/skeeve</a> ; Expert360: <a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" target="_blank">Profile</a> ;
Keybase: <a href="https://keybase.io/skeeve" target="_blank">https://keybase.io/skeeve</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 12:57 AM, Tim Raphael <<a href="mailto:raphael.timothy@gmail.com" target="_blank">raphael.timothy@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the Universities provide residential Internet to students who live on campus. Depending on how they bill it, I guess would make some ISPs and others not.<br>
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On 5 Sep 2016, at 9:33 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The list: <a href="https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am absolutely stunned by this list and how much people asked for - and got.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sure, there are people who needed the money to comply, but I think a lot of people are taking advantage of the system and should be ashamed of themselves for how much they asked for.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, the government did a shit job, but this is community money - needed for us to comply with a stupid law. Not a slush fund for people to build up their business.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Universities - I don't understand. System Integrators - bullshit. VoIP providers, you are are already logging call details - why do most of you need anything?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If everyone IT integrator in the country claimed, we'd have over 2k-3k applicants and no one getting much at all.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think a lot of people are buying new networking equipment with these funds. I am not sure the fund was designed to build the networks of ISPs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some of the massive requests are astounding and begs the question "WHAT are people buying with it?"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the AG make all the applications public since they've made the result public. We need context to some of these extremely excessive allocations.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is no jealousy here. There is a dozen of my customers on the list, but all mostly realistic.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Those that say we should just move on have no respect for the stewardship of these resources.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bring on the flames.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Going through the list (Never heard of many of them):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Ace</b> - 294k - You are a small regional ISP... 294k?! C'mon, you need to justify it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Amaysim</b> - 69k - You are a big phone reseller - is this all you need? #respect<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>APN</b> - 373k - Now Activ8me? Regional ISP. You need to justify it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Bluenet</b> - Aren't you just a VISP off RealWorld? 30k for what? (See below)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Broadband Solutions</b>. Guys, Why 2.2million. You <b>REALLY</b> need to justify that. Exetel, BigAir, M2, Vocus are all way less. Please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>BT</b> - 4 applications? Really? Total $376k+ - Justify it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>CipherTel</b> - Regional and Remote WA. 439k... Justify it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Cirrus Communications</b> - 18k. Your network is massive. Is that all you really need? If so.. #respect<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Cloud Comm</b> - Who are you? 236k<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Comscentre</b> - 840k... C'mon really? Justify it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Connectivity IT</b> - 244k. Please Justify it Tom.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>CountryTell</b> - 180k. Curious... seems a lot for a regional ISP. Please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Curtin University</b> - 368k... I don't understand.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Easyweb Digital</b> - 404k. For what? Your website doesn't even say ISP, and WiFi doesn't count. Please explain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Firenet</b> - 169k - I think you are going to need to explain this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>First Focus</b> - 153k - But it doesn't even look like you are an ISP? Please explain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Frontier Networks</b> - 301k - It doesn't look like you'd need this much.. Please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>GoPC</b> - 150k. Graeme? I don't get it. You will need to explain this. As far as I know, you are not an ISP.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Griffith Uni</b> - 719k. Another Uni... <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Interactive Gateway</b> - Who? You look like an integrator, not an ISP. Please explain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>- IP Voice & Data / Vonex</b> - 290k. You are mostly voice. Does it really cost this much to log call data which you should already do?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>M2</b> - 1.6M - OK you are huge, but aren't you part of Vocus now? Surely you can use the same systems<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>- Macquarie Telecom</b> - A lot less than I would have expected from someone of your size. #respect<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Message4U</b> - 1.2m - Ok, so you do a lot of texts... but so what? Please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>MikeIT / OpusV</b> - 106k - You don't seem to be an ISP. Please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Mobilizer</b> - 89k. Total bullshit. Anyone who has ever met Damon knows this is a crock.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>- MyNetfone</b> - 3m. You guys are massive in voice. But 3 million?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Novatel</b> - 698k - Baby ISP with 1 or 2 routers... Does not justify this much. Please explain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Origin Net </b>- 249k - Seems excessive.. please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Pivotel</b> - 336k - You do Satellite services? That is a lot. Please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Professional Data Kinetics</b> - 352k. You're based in Wagga doing NBN. This is a lot. Please explain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Radcomp / ITAUS / ITNQ</b> - 472k. Who? Please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>RCOM / RNAS</b>. 316k. Who are you? Please explain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Real World</b> - 787k/912k. Really Andrew? 2 piles of cash? You couldn't use the same technology? It is a hell of a lot of money for a network like yours in comparison to many people out there. 1.7 million dollars. Almost as much
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>RMIT</b> - 680k. Uni again<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>SIS Group</b> - 191k. Luke? Seems like a lot. Please explain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Spirit Telecom</b> - 187k. Seems like a lot. Please explain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Tecala</b> - 316k. Who are you? Please explain.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Comverge</b> - 227k+78k. You are mostly wholesale/Layer2/builders. Why? Please explain. Why 2 applications?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>The Summit Group</b>. 1M. Greg, you are going to have to explain this.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>Vibe</b> - 364k. Big links I know... but 364k<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- <b>More Universities</b>... UTas 12k? Wow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>- Vodafone </b>- 28m. 28 million for what? You already log the hell out of everything - that is your job. Even Optus only asked for 14m.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Email: </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> ;
Web: </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><a href="http://eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">eintellegonetworks.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve ; LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">/in/skeeve</a> ; Expert360: <a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" target="_blank">Profile</a> ;
Keybase: <a href="https://keybase.io/skeeve" target="_blank">https://keybase.io/skeeve</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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