[AusNOG] The shape of DDoS to come
Jim Woodward
jim at alwaysnever.net
Thu Oct 27 12:52:53 EST 2016
Given the CPU power of modern routers the issue is that they now have
resources well in excess of any WAN link to fill said link with traffic
and not even break a sweat, security is definitely an area that needs to
be consider closely.
I am a believer that subscription services from vendors should exist
(e.g. Cisco) but major security updates should be free for the lifetime
of the device, Having worked in the industry for a long time I can
attest to the fact that having a support contract doesn't mean devices
are kept to a regular update schedule, in fact I have replaced failed
units under contract in the field that are covered by a SMARTNET and
been told to install an IOS many years old because that's what the
original device had, not something I would do if it was a device within
my control.
I think an open model for security patches does need to be considered
for the greater good.
Kind Regards,
Jim.
On 27/10/2016 12:15 PM, Peter Tiggerdine wrote:
> Reading both articles seems to give a lot of "creative license" to the
> term IoT. This is the problem with journo's today, facts from credible
> and verifiable sources seems to be not a requirement anymore. At least
> Ars mentioned it in the article, but it begs the question why print it?
>
> DVR and IP cameras aren't IoT. We've had both of those long before the
> term IoT existed.
>
> Unpatched home routers are likely to make up the bulk of the traffic
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Tiggerdine
>
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>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Nick Stallman <nick at agentpoint.com
> <mailto:nick at agentpoint.com>> wrote:
>
> Yes there is.
> There are a few keywords to focus on however.
>
> Like 'part'. Technically if just a single IoT device was part of
> the attack then the media will say it was a IoT attack.
>
> And 'device'. If you start calling security DVR's IoT devices
> (arguably they aren't, they are a server) then yep a few thousand
> of them took part.
>
> I could be wrong but my impression was the bulk was traditional
> DDoS and not mostly IoT.
>
> On 27/10/16 11:17, Peter Tiggerdine wrote:
>
> Is there any evidence to suggest that IoT devices played a
> part on this DDoS? My understanding is we're still dealing
> with the same problem as ever; unpatched/secured
> desktops/routers/switches which when you consider how
> accessible large amounts of bandwidth is explain the increase
> in DDoS size.
>
> Most IoT devices don't enough CPU power to contribute more
> than 1K sustained. Doesn't mean there's not alot to be done in
> the security space with IoT, just means there's better targets
> with greater return.
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Tiggerdine
>
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> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:54 AM, mike at thebibers.com
> <mailto:mike at thebibers.com> <mailto:mike at thebibers.com
> <mailto:mike at thebibers.com>> <mbiber at ipv6forum.com.au
> <mailto:mbiber at ipv6forum.com.au>
> <mailto:mbiber at ipv6forum.com.au
> <mailto:mbiber at ipv6forum.com.au>>> wrote:
>
> IPv6 with mandatory IPsec Authentication through filtering
> engines?
>
> Michael Biber
> IPv6Now
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>
> On 27 Oct 2016 10:03 AM, "Paul Wilkins"
> <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com <mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>
> <mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com
> <mailto:paulwilkins369 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
> After Mirai's 1.2Tbps, which is pretty much
> unmitigateable,
> perhaps time for the industry to realise that IoT
> means we've
> arrived at a new age of DDoS. If this is the shape of
> things
> to come, where do we go from here?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
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