[AusNOG] Internet Association of Australia

[Mark Smith]

I agree with David and the board.

On 26 May 2016 9:53 AM, "Skeeve Stevens" <
skeeve+ausnog at eintellegonetworks.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry David,
>
> I think your email here is very unfriendly to the internet community in
Australia and unsupportive of the things that IAA does.
>
> You've also just told every other organisation that does good things for
the community to get stuffed too.
>
> We all play a part. Ausnog, IAA, Internet Australia, APNIC, CA, ACCAN,
auDA, auIGF, etc - but you don't hit them like that and not everyone here
are members of their organisations.
>
> There was no harm in their post and it only served to benefit those ISPs
who are a part of it, and also let others know there are benefits of being
a member of an 'association' - not even a for-profit business.
>

If the email was promoting IAA membership, with a bullet point as generic
as "* special offers from industry suppliers" then I think it would have
been OK.

Where this crossed the line was it was an advertisement for a single
business for members of a particular group of whom some listen here.

If you've been around the Internet long enough, you can also smell
astroturfing-like advertising such as posting subtle marketing to a much
larger audience than appropriate.

That can do more damage to the brand than intended. I've bought stuff from
the vendor mentioned in the past, I might not in the future, just because
of this single "innocent" email.

> I think those who are not tolerant to the occasional bit of unrelated (to
them) email really needs to get a life and worry about what is important.
>
> Just be giving sometimes.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
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>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:32 AM, David Hughes <david at hughes.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Good morning Tom,
>>
>> While we openly support other associations within our industry, the
email below is a bit rich.  Surely you have a mailing list of the IAA
membership through which you could promote an IAA member-only promotion.
There are thousands of people on the AusNOG list, most of whom would not be
IAA members, so your email is unsolicited and irrelevant to them (i.e.
SPAM).
>>
>> If you guys wish to cross-promote something like an event that would be
of interest to the AusNOG list membership then we'd be happy to support
that.  But please do not send emails like the one below to this list.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> David - on behalf of the AusNOG board
>> ...
>>
>>
>> On 25/05/2016, at 1:05 PM, Tom Berryman <tom at connectivityit.com.au>
wrote:
>>
>>> Hi AusNOG-ers!
>>>
>>> Recently as many of you will know, WAIA (The Western Australian
Internet Association) undertook a name change to better represent our focus
and what we do for the industry, renaming to “Internet Association of
Australia” (or IAA).
>>>
>>> I wanted to reach out to our members here on AusNOG and let you know
4Cabling.com.au are running a special for all of our members – a
significant discount off everything ordered online. If you didn’t get our
mail out with your code (i.e. it went to your accounts department) please
feel free to reach out to me and I will get your code. The offer is for all
our members.
>>>
>>> (Tom Berryman as President of the Internet Association of Australia)
>>>
>>> /TB
>>>
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