[AusNOG] Consultation on s313(3) use

[Paul Wilkins]

Mark,
I'm pretty sure I get your point. I'm not obtuse. We just don't agree and
I'm happy we leave it there.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins

On 4 May 2016 at 12:51, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 4 May 2016 12:07 PM, "Paul Wilkins" <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, but this is not Russia.
>
> You've missed the point entirely, and I've spent enough time trying to
> explain it.
>
> > The sites they will want blocked will either be illegal content (child
> pornography, terrorism related) or phishing sites. In both cases, the
> security services are quite entitled to terminate the service as a criminal
> enterprise. The point being not to firewall out the content (which is not
> achievable), but to prevent inadvertent access - eg.
> https://www.ÇBA.com.au <https://www.xn--ba-3ia.com.au>. After that, perps
> cannot claim they were browsing https://www.12yovirgins.com by accident.
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Paul Wilkins
> >
> > On 4 May 2016 at 08:25, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2 May 2016 7:16 PM, "Paul Wilkins" <paulwilkins369 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Mark,
> >> > I'm glad you raised the point, as it needs to be clarified that the
> purview of the s313 inquiry is "disruption" of services. It's not required
> to read the data stream. For the purposes of s313 it should be sufficient
> to read the SSL certificate, and then block by either white list or black
> list.
> >> >
> >>
> >> You're assuming that the entire HTTPS website's content is
> "prohibited", so this censorship can be implemented at a certificate
> granularity. Incorrect assumption.
> >>
> >> "Russia blocks Wikipedia"
> >>
> http://www.businessinsider.com.au/wikipedia-blacklisted-in-russia-2015-8?r=US&IR=T
> >>
> >>
> >> > John,
> >> > For better or worse, we're heading to a future where SSL will not be
> banned, but it will be licensed. This in my view is what's driving the
> ongoing spat between the FBI and Apple.
> >> >
> >> > Kind regards
> >> >
> >> > Paul Wilkins
> >> >
> >> > On 2 May 2016 at 13:49, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On May 2, 2016, at 1:41 PM, John Lindsay <johnslindsay at mac.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > This is easy. Just ban ssl. Sorted.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure, they can do that, and we’ll all keep using it. Maybe we’ll
> rename it “TLS” so we don’t have to tell them that their ban has been
> unsuccessful.
> >> >>
> >> >>   - mark
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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