[AusNOG] census issues tonight

[John Lindsay]

Then the state government shuts the hospitals when they run out of money. 

The census made a lot of sense back when government actually meant something. When it actually did stuff rather than close stuff and sell the land for house estates. 

It meant something when the cost of retaining data was huge. Now every single census response fits in less than 16 gigabytes. You can carry that around on a memory stick. You can add to it every time a child is born or someone dies or joins the electoral roll. 

Privacy laws have stopped the ABS from building this fine grain data but now they have their own set. Yay. 

Can you see any contribution from the ABS in NBN planning? All I can see is electoral boundaries. 

John Lindsay

> On 11 Aug 2016, at 8:51 PM, Joshua D'Alton <joshua at railgun.com.au> wrote:
> 
> $450 million doesn't seem too bad, around $40 per census taker. Of course this years election cost about half that and covered twice as many people, but then again it is a little simpler and a lot of volunteer labour..
> 
> Still seems extreme though. what does the ABS actually get out of it? People say where to build schools and hospitals, but really how many of those are built every 4 years, and would transport to/from matter a lot more then actual location?
> 
> A hospital 5km down the road that takes an hour on a bus is worse than 10km and 30 minutes?
> 
> What data does it actually get that it couldn't just get from the transport authorities (they know their bus/train loads and to/from routes), other government bodies (ATO knows a lot, Centrelink knows probably about 90% of the old people), or industry (who have all the info on DSL/phone subscribers so on).?
> 
> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 3:16 PM, <francisfides at mailup.net> wrote:
>> Cheers...just as some salt for the wound is finding it's way from the archives...
>> https://twitter.com/mramclaren/status/763596735507599360
>> 
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>> 
>>   francisfides at mailup.net
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>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016, at 14:42, Simon Sharwood wrote:
>>> Patrick Gray of the Risky Business security podcast looks to have some inside info
>>> 
>>> https://twitter.com/riskybusiness
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Karl Auer <kauer at biplane.com.au> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2016-08-11 at 12:44 +0930, John Lindsay wrote:
>>> > As every day passes the value of the data plummets. 
>>> 
>>> Quite apart from the design and implementation failures, the ABS failed
>>> to follow some pretty basic rules:
>>> 
>>> - if you know nothing, SAY nothing
>>> - don't theorise in front of the customer
>>> - have a Plan B
>>> 
>>> Plan B should IMHO have been some kind of rain check - shut it down,
>>> apologise, run it next year with lessons learned.
>>> 
>>> Not this endlessly unfolding train wreck.
>>> 
>>> Regards, K.
>>> 
>>> PS: cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_phases_of_a_big_project
>>> 
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