<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Then the state government shuts the hospitals when they run out of money. </div><div><br></div><div>The census made a lot of sense back when government actually meant something. When it actually did stuff rather than close stuff and sell the land for house estates. </div><div><br></div><div>It meant something when the cost of retaining data was huge. Now every single census response fits in less than 16 gigabytes. You can carry that around on a memory stick. You can add to it every time a child is born or someone dies or joins the electoral roll. </div><div><br></div><div>Privacy laws have stopped the ABS from building this fine grain data but now they have their own set. Yay. </div><div><br></div><div>Can you see any contribution from the ABS in NBN planning? All I can see is electoral boundaries. <br><br><div><div>John Lindsay</div></div></div><div><br>On 11 Aug 2016, at 8:51 PM, Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">$450 million doesn't seem too bad, around $40 per census taker. Of course this years election cost about half that and covered twice as many people, but then again it is a little simpler and a lot of volunteer labour..<div><br></div><div>Still seems extreme though. what does the ABS actually get out of it? People say where to build schools and hospitals, but really how many of those are built every 4 years, and would transport to/from matter a lot more then actual location?</div><div><br></div><div>A hospital 5km down the road that takes an hour on a bus is worse than 10km and 30 minutes?</div><div><br></div><div>What data does it actually get that it couldn't just get from the transport authorities (they know their bus/train loads and to/from routes), other government bodies (ATO knows a lot, Centrelink knows probably about 90% of the old people), or industry (who have all the info on DSL/phone subscribers so on).?</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 3:16 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:francisfides@mailup.net" target="_blank">francisfides@mailup.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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<div><div style="font-family:Arial">On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Karl Auer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kauer@biplane.com.au" target="_blank">kauer@biplane.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial"> - if you know nothing, SAY nothing<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial"> - don't theorise in front of the customer<br></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial"> - have a Plan B<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial"> Plan B should IMHO have been some kind of rain check - shut it down,<br></div>
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<div style="font-family:Arial"> Not this endlessly unfolding train wreck.<br></div>
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