[AusNOG] NBNco: "Let's start competing with our customers!"

[Skeeve Stevens]

I am saying that while the CVC should be like $2.... if they aggregated
their PoI's, you'd need a lot less because it would scale much much more
and it would actually costs less.




...Skeeve


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On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Mark Smith <markzzzsmith at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 16 Sep 2015 21:51, "Skeeve Stevens" <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Why do that NBNCo?... just go back to the original PoI design and make
> it easier/cheaper rather than 7000 poi's... THAT is why it is expensive for
> the smaller guys.... shebus.
> >
>
> So you think NBNco's CVC and AVC charges are cheap?
>
> How is carrying data on their network to one of 14 POIs going to be
> cheaper that hot potatoing it out one of 121 POIs where *you* then get to
> choose the POI interconnect/wholesale provider, who may also provide a
> cheaper POI aggregation service so you don't have to literally connect to
> 121 POIs if you don't want to.
>
> Again, why *must* you directly connect to a POI, making you think that 14
> POIs is better than 121?
>
> In other words, you want to be a wholesale lever customer, but want the
> government/NBNco to wear the wholesale capital costs? They're not going to
> do that unless they get a commercial return for doing so. In other words,
> you're going to pay, one way or another, because TINSTAAFL.
>
> So if cost of POI connection is the only important criteria, then clearly
> 14 is also way, way too many. Who wants to have 14 routers/switches when
> you could have one? Isn't the ideal number of POIs, cost wise, 1 POI for
> the whole of Australia?
>
> Actually cost wise, theoretically it would be better for the government to
> do everything - they can theoretically get scales of economy that no
> private company can get and they can borrow at better rates than any
> private company can because they're borrowing against the country.
>
> So perhaps the ideal number of POIs is 0.
>
> > C'mon... who is advising these guys... do we have a new decent Comms
> Minister we can appear for sanity to?
> >
> >
> > ...Skeeve
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
> > On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 7:20 PM, <ausftth at mail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not content with their monopoly position and the mess they made so far,
> the NBNco now wants to compete for POI backhaul with it's own customers too.
> >>
> >> "In a speech to the National Press Club today, Morrow said around 40 of
> the NBN's national 121 points of interconnect (PoI) are currently too
> expensive for smaller ISPs to reach.
> >>
> >> Morrow has accepted the NBN could have to play a role in forcing the
> hand of the market, or stepping up if it turns out no one else is willing
> to go to some locations."
> >>
> >> Now, I'm all for lower backhaul costs, but surely there would have been
> better ways to go about this than this sudden change of heart. It's like
> some bloke at the NBNco found an Econ 101 textbook, happened upon the
> definition of regulatory uncertainty and came up with the brilliant idea of
> field testing the concept.
> >>
> >> Source:
> http://www.itnews.com.au/news/nbn-wants-to-cut-access-costs-for-smaller-isps-409244
> >>
> >> Jared
> >>
> >>
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