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[Mark Smith]

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Saw the following many years ago on a Usenet post signature -

"Some days you're the pigeon, other days you're the statue."
On 3 Sep 2015 09:33, "Phillip Grasso" <phillip.grasso at gmail.com> wrote:

> maybe they could use of rfc1149.txt <https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt> based
> service, i'm not sure if they need a carrier license, given regulation
> probably, don't know how you'll comply with metadata collection with that
> system.  They may need roof permission or an open window. Not sure about
> the liability perspective, but i'm assuming a increase in dry cleaning bill
> for those traveling between from "overhead loss" or "drops"
>
> On 3 September 2015 at 00:47, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark - Is a Carriers License necessary?  If the customer did it
>> themselves... or basically paid for it, it shouldn't be needed as it is a
>> private link.
>>
>> Even if it is... you could get someone to do an NCD for it... not common,
>> but possible.
>>
>> But... personally, if it was that close, I would do a gig wireless link
>> ask the DC for roof access... would be the most flexible way.
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
>> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Mark Newton <newton at atdot.dotat.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sep 2, 2015, at 9:59 PM, James Cunningham <jjazza26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Normally we would do this via Pipe/AAPT/Vocus etc, but given it’s so
>>> close, what would be involved in getting our own contractors to run the
>>> fibre and renting duct space for a 6 core fibre cable?
>>>
>>>
>>> You’ll need:
>>>
>>>  - A carrier license.
>>>  - An agreement with someone to lease you some duct space.
>>>  - Subduct for your cable.
>>>  - Agreement from Pipe to run cable into their facility.
>>>  - Agreement from the building owners at each end to enter the building,
>>> use the comms risers, etc.
>>>  - Contractors with enough insurance coverage to make sure you’re not
>>> holding the can when the building burns down because they haven’t
>>> reinstated firestop in the riser properly, who can give you OTDR reports so
>>> you can see which cores have the dodgy splices before you try to put
>>> traffic on them.
>>>  - Knowledge of the use and interpretation of OTDR reports.
>>>  - Registration with “Dial Before You Dig."
>>>  - A cross-connect from Pipe between your rack and the demarc location
>>> they specify for termination of your cable.
>>>
>>> Probably other stuff I’ve forgotten.
>>>
>>> Or is this really a “too hard basket” and we should just go to Pipe or
>>> Vocus and have them do it?
>>>
>>>
>>> It depends on what you want your business to be.
>>>
>>> If you want to play in the retailer space, buy wholesale services,
>>> package them, add margin, sell them to your customers. You don’t need any
>>> significant infrastructure, and can keep doing it indefinitely until your
>>> customer switches to Telstra (perhaps with a brief stop-over on TPG).
>>>
>>> If you want to play in the infrastructure provider space, then you need
>>> to operate infrastructure. The first few times will be unprofitably
>>> expensive learning experiences, and your competitors all have the benefit
>>> of scale, but you’ll get better at it. If you can build yourself a
>>> first-mover advantage on some profitable cable routes, you might be able to
>>> eke out a survivable (or even livable) niche.
>>>
>>> Or maybe it’s too late for anyone else to do that in Australia. Dunno.
>>>
>>>   - mark
>>>
>>>
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