[AusNOG] Data retention

[Mark Smith]

On 13 October 2015 at 11:19, Noel Butler <noel.butler at ausics.net> wrote:
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> On 13/10/2015 08:22, Alex Samad - Yieldbroker wrote:
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> Most of my friends, mainly IT literate are thinking vpn. Not a good sampling for the general public.
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> But you have pollie's pushing VPN's and legal (!)  avoidance
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> http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/campaigns/stopdataretention#protect
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> Cant let a good story get in road of facts, MT was not the architect, Brandis was, I'm sure we all remember MT was on the outer with this until Abbott had him come in and clear up  their "selling the idea" mess.
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> as fort most of it, the data retention law hasnt changed anything, its been long well known Telco's have logged sms data and voice from-to-duration blah blah blah, Telstra and Optus  have those records for 7 years, and its been well known for many years they have, so why werent these advocates outraged 10, 15 years ago
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Because telcos primary reason to keep it was for billing purposes.
Given how much money they've spent on billing to that granularity, and
how often billing systems leak money, they probably would have been
willing to not do it if they could have gotten out of their circuit
switched, bill for each connection/transaction mindset (imagine trying
to do time and/or distance based charging for each and every TCP
connection, or each UDP packet towards specific destinations)

So its LEA uses were secondary and likely to have been facilitated
because the data already existed.

The fundamental difference here is that the primary and only reason to
collect this metadata for Internet use is for LEA purposes, and it is
based on the fundamentally flawed assumption that people are probable
rather than possible criminals. If you believe that people are
probable criminals, it then becomes easier to jump to the conclusion
that you need to be collecting evidence on them ubiquitously.

As much as there are many downsides to this, the upside is that
they're purposely making the haystack dramatically bigger, so finding
needles becomes a lot harder. Even the NSA know this internally,

"INSIDE NSA, OFFICIALS PRIVATELY CRITICIZE "COLLECT IT ALL" SURVEILLANCE"
https://theintercept.com/2015/05/28/nsa-officials-privately-criticize-collect-it-all-surveillance/


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> now for the Tuesday funnies..
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> "the address you emailed, the size of the message, the file names of attachments, the file sizes of attachments, the time the message was sent, and your location,"
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> The address you emails - true
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> size of the message - true
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> file names of attachments - BULLSHIT (thats part of the "DATA" stage)
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> file sizes of attachments - BULLSHIT (only the total message size is logged)
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> the time the message was sent - clap clap - true
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> the location - sure, your IP address at the time - which could be traced back to your connection location, so we'll give him half a point there, but about 8/10 points for scare mungering,its something everybody has always done to deal with spam/abuse reports.
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> now for outright lies
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> "your IP address, your destination addresses*, your location, the time you connected to the web, the duration you connected to the web, and the volume of data exchanged."
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> the destination address is explicitly EXCLUDED..
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> your location, thats back to your IP address.
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> time connected to web - whoops more porkies - web access is not recorded,unless means what time you logged into your broadband service, half a point there, maybe.
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> the volume of data used half a point there, because they want you to keep the daily/monthly
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> data usages - which most customers expect to see anyway
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> I stopped reading at that point, because I'm recovering from a virus, and my tummy and throat was hurting too much form the laughter...
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> But like i said far be it from me to expect a pollie to be honest.
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