[AusNOG] NBN’s $800 million Optus network might need to be rebuilt

Thu Nov 26 12:56:34 EST 2015

But the new one will cost $4000+ billion and take until the year 3000 
with 5 million 457 visa people!!!!

what? we aren't just making up numbers?

On 26/11/15 12:21, Mark Currie wrote:
>
> “Did Australia really vote for this?”
>
> No…many Australian’s voted for a $43 billion pipe dream and thought 
> bubble dreamed up by a couple of idiots wanting to buy votes, and 
> which would of cost $200+ billion and taken until 2030 or 2040 without 
> putting 100,000 person work force in place if left to the original plan.
>
> *From:*AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces at lists.ausnog.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *Greg Anderson
> *Sent:* Thursday, 26 November 2015 11:25 AM
> *To:* John Edwards
> *Cc:* ausnog at lists.ausnog.net
> *Subject:* Re: [AusNOG] NBN’s $800 million Optus network might need to 
> be rebuilt
>
> What devices would you need to operate with electricity on a passive 
> optical network?  The distinct lack of need for any electronic devices 
> in the street is surely one of it's strong points?
>
> They could string GPON in the air along power poles as well, but it is 
> hideous and requires more maintenance in the long run and it seemed to 
> irk a lot of people.  But it would be cheaper to put in and string
>
> Seems to me that we are now paying almost as much for a network that 
> is going to last about 10 years before needing significant upgrades at 
> a higher ongoing maintenance cost versus a slightly more expensive but 
> much more reliable, network (with faster and most importantly more 
> consistent speeds) that is likely to last 30-50 years with upgrades 
> that are likely to be less significant with lower maintenance costs.
>
> I must just be a fanboi, because I just don't think I will ever 'get' 
> what we are being given. Like, even if I WANT fibre, I won't be able 
> to get that speed because the cherry picking laws are going to prevent 
> competing companies installing it.  It seems in on fell swoop, the 
> government has said "Nobody gets Fibre."
>
> My mind boggles.  Did Australia really vote for this?
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 09:03, John Edwards <jaedwards at gmail.com 
> <mailto:jaedwards at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Australian Cable TV installers in 2013 were paid around $100 to run a 
> drop cable from the pole to the premises AND install it to the STB in 
> the lounge room. There's even a Facebook page about how little they 
> were paid. 10 years ago it was as low as $45, and they had to supply 
> materials. Compare that to cost-per-premises run rates for FTTH.
>
> One of the benefits that isn't well known about HFC is that it can 
> also provide power to devices. Current AEMO rules make it difficult to 
> attempt to run simple devices from AC power in the street. In a world 
> where Smart City and IOT is a thing, copper connections may well have 
> a revival as they are re-used to put battery-less sensors anywhere and 
> everywhere.
>
> John
>
> On 26 November 2015 at 07:49, Skeeve Stevens 
> <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com>> wrote:
>
> But... one of the things I've always said about HFC... the cost is in 
> getting from the Pole to the Premises.  Everything else is easily 
> upgradable.  So, in hindsight, as NBN I still would have bought it, 
> just maybe paid a lot less.
>
>
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>
> --
>
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>
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> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:14 AM, Robert Hudson <hudrob at gmail.com 
> <mailto:hudrob at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Those were my thoughts exactly Skeeve. The Optus HFC network has been 
> in a disgraceful state for years, and anyone who's had any involvement 
> with it knew that.
>
> Great to see that NBN did the appropriate levels of due dilligence 
> before handing over so much money...
>
> On 26 Nov 2015 12:38 am, "Skeeve Stevens" <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com 
> <mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog at theispguy.com>> wrote:
>
> They could have just asked us... we would have told them how bad it was.
>
> ...Skeeve
>
> From: 
> http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbns-800-million-optus-network-might-need-to-be-rebuilt/news-story/058b1a409439b2d0b797bda37aec4ed7
>
> ===
> MALCOLM Turnbull and the NBN have spent $800 million on a network that 
> almost completely needs to be rebuilt.
>
> As part of the Coalition government’s multi-technology National 
> Broadband Network, the government bought Optus’s ageing hybrid 
> fibre-coaxial (HFC) cable network, which was originally rolled out in 
> the 1990s for pay TV, for $800 million.
>
> But leaked documents obtained by Fairfax Mediareveal the government is 
> planning to replace that $800 million network at a cost of an extra 
> $375 million.
>
> The documents claim that the Optus HFC network is “not fit for 
> purpose” and nearing the end of its life, while other parts of it are 
> simply already oversubscribed and wouldn’t be able to deliver on the 
> speeds promised by Mr Turnbull and his government.
>
> These new plans would see the Optus network rebuilt with either 
> Telstra’s HFC or fibre-to-the-node technology, which was originally 
> planned for 38 per cent of the network. On top of the huge cost 
> blowout, which is already expected to be $15 billion over budget, the 
> NBN will be missing the rollout targets of 633,000 premises in 2017 
> and 2018, which will now have to wait until 2019 at the earliest to be 
> connected.
>
> An initial agreement was made between the NBN and Optus in 2012, where 
> it was approved by the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission 
> under the grounds that the government could gradually decommission 
> Optus’s HFC and replace it with fibre-to-the-premises broadband 
> connections.
>
> The existing network needed upgrades and it was deemed commercially 
> unviable for Optus to do that work and maintain it.
>
> Despite this, the deal was revised in 2015 the government would keep 
> Optus’s HFC network in use and make upgrades where needed for the same 
> $800 million price tag.
>
> Opposition communications spokesman Jason Clare slammed the findings 
> of the document, saying it showed “more evidence of the absolute mess 
> that Malcolm Turnbull has created with his second-rate NBN”.
>
> “It reveals that the Optus HFC network, a key component of Malcolm 
> Turnbull’s second-rate NBN, is in far worse condition than Australians 
> were led to believe and NBN Co is considering overbuilding the network 
> — costing hundreds of millions and meaning hundreds of thousands of 
> Australians will have to wait longer to get the NBN,” Mr Clare said.
>
> Optus said that it always acknowledged the HFC network needed major 
> investment to manage subscriber growth and capacity demand.
>
> A statement from NBN Co said the corporate plan had accounted for the 
> ebbs and flows of the project.
>
> “NBN has met or exceeded all targets over the past 18 months and we 
> remain confident in our long range plan and the various strategies we 
> have in place to manage the risk,” the statement said.
>
> “Nearly 1.5 million homes and businesses can now order an NBN service 
> and nearly 700,000 are connected.
>
> “In order to manage risk NBN regularly prepares for multiple scenarios 
> in the network deployment — the document concerned is part of that 
> ongoing approach of risk mitigation.”
>
> “Our corporate plan has accounted for the ebbs and flows expected in a 
> project of this scale.
>
> “NBN has met or exceeded all targets over the past 18 months and we 
> remain confident in our long range plan and the various strategies we 
> have in place to manage the risk.
>
> “Nearly 1.5 million homes and businesses can now order an nbn service 
> and nearly 700,000 are connected. In order to manage risk, NBN 
> regularly prepares for multiple scenarios in the network deployment - 
> the document concerned is part of that ongoing approach of risk 
> mitigation.”
>
>
> ===
>
> ...Skeeve
>
>
> --
>
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>
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