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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">But the new one will cost $4000+
      billion and take until the year 3000 with 5 million 457 visa
      people!!!!<br>
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      what? we aren't just making up numbers?<br>
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      On 26/11/15 12:21, Mark Currie wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">“</span>Did
          Australia really vote for this?” <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No…many
            Australian’s voted for a $43 billion pipe dream and thought
            bubble dreamed up by a couple of idiots wanting to buy
            votes, and which would of cost $200+ billion and taken until
            2030 or 2040 without putting 100,000 person work force in
            place if left to the original plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
              lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
            lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
            [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg
            Anderson<br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 November 2015 11:25 AM<br>
            <b>To:</b> John Edwards<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN’s $800 million Optus
            network might need to be rebuilt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">What devices would you need to operate
            with electricity on a passive optical network?  The distinct
            lack of need for any electronic devices in the street is
            surely one of it's strong points?<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">They could string GPON in the air along
              power poles as well, but it is hideous and requires more
              maintenance in the long run and it seemed to irk a lot of
              people.  But it would be cheaper to put in and string <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Seems to me that we are now paying
              almost as much for a network that is going to last about
              10 years before needing significant upgrades at a higher
              ongoing maintenance cost versus a slightly more expensive
              but much more reliable, network (with faster and most
              importantly more consistent speeds) that is likely to last
              30-50 years with upgrades that are likely to be less
              significant with lower maintenance costs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">I must just be a fanboi, because I just
              don't think I will ever 'get' what we are being given. 
              Like, even if I WANT fibre, I won't be able to get that
              speed because the cherry picking laws are going to prevent
              competing companies installing it.  It seems in on fell
              swoop, the government has said "Nobody gets Fibre."<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">My mind boggles.  Did Australia really
              vote for this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 26 November 2015 at 09:03, John
              Edwards <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:jaedwards@gmail.com" target="_blank">jaedwards@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">Australian Cable TV installers in
                2013 were paid around $100 to run a drop cable from the
                pole to the premises AND install it to the STB in the
                lounge room. There's even a Facebook page about how
                little they were paid. 10 years ago it was as low as
                $45, and they had to supply materials. Compare that to
                cost-per-premises run rates for FTTH.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal">One of the benefits that isn't well
                  known about HFC is that it can also provide power to
                  devices. Current AEMO rules make it difficult to
                  attempt to run simple devices from AC power in the
                  street. In a world where Smart City and IOT is a
                  thing, copper connections may well have a revival as
                  they are re-used to put battery-less sensors anywhere
                  and everywhere.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#888888"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">On 26 November 2015 at 07:49,
                      Skeeve Stevens <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com"
                        target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com</a>>
                      wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">But... one of the things I've
                        always said about HFC... the cost is in getting
                        from the Pole to the Premises.  Everything else
                        is easily upgradable.  So, in hindsight, as NBN
                        I still would have bought it, just maybe paid a
                        lot less.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                              ...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#20497D"><br>
                                              --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#20497D">Skeeve
                                              Stevens - The ISP Guy -
                                              Internet Provider SME<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                                            style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#20497D">Email: <a
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                                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:skeeve@theispguy.com">skeeve@theispguy.com</a></a> ; Cell:
                                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B61%280%29414%20753%20383" target="_blank">+61(0)414 753 383</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#20497D">Skype:
                                                  skeeve; Blog: <a
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href="http://theispguy.com/" target="_blank">TheISPGuy.com</a> ;
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style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#20497D">Linkedin: <a
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style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black">Expert360: </span><span
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                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at
                              6:14 AM, Robert Hudson <<a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com">hudrob@gmail.com</a></a>>
                              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p>Those were my thoughts exactly Skeeve.
                              The Optus HFC network has been in a
                              disgraceful state for years, and anyone
                              who's had any involvement with it knew
                              that.<o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p>Great to see that NBN did the appropriate
                              levels of due dilligence before handing
                              over so much money...<o:p></o:p></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal">On 26 Nov 2015 12:38
                                am, "Skeeve Stevens" <<a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@theispguy.com"
                                  target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com">skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com</a></a>>
                                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">They could have
                                    just asked us... we would have told
                                    them how bad it was.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">From: <a
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href="http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbns-800-million-optus-network-might-need-to-be-rebuilt/news-story/058b1a409439b2d0b797bda37aec4ed7"
                                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbns-800-million-optus-network-might-need-to-be-rebuilt/news-story/058b1a409439b2d0b797bda37aec4ed7">http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/nbn/nbns-800-million-optus-network-might-need-to-be-rebuilt/news-story/058b1a409439b2d0b797bda37aec4ed7</a></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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                                    MALCOLM Turnbull and the NBN have
                                    spent $800 million on a network that
                                    almost completely needs to be
                                    rebuilt.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    As part of the Coalition
                                    government’s multi-technology
                                    National Broadband Network, the
                                    government bought Optus’s ageing
                                    hybrid fibre-coaxial (HFC) cable
                                    network, which was originally rolled
                                    out in the 1990s for pay TV, for
                                    $800 million.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    But leaked documents obtained by
                                    Fairfax Mediareveal the government
                                    is planning to replace that $800
                                    million network at a cost of an
                                    extra $375 million.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    The documents claim that the Optus
                                    HFC network is “not fit for purpose”
                                    and nearing the end of its life,
                                    while other parts of it are simply
                                    already oversubscribed and wouldn’t
                                    be able to deliver on the speeds
                                    promised by Mr Turnbull and his
                                    government.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    These new plans would see the Optus
                                    network rebuilt with either
                                    Telstra’s HFC or fibre-to-the-node
                                    technology, which was originally
                                    planned for 38 per cent of the
                                    network. On top of the huge cost
                                    blowout, which is already expected
                                    to be $15 billion over budget, the
                                    NBN will be missing the rollout
                                    targets of 633,000 premises in 2017
                                    and 2018, which will now have to
                                    wait until 2019 at the earliest to
                                    be connected.<br>
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                                    An initial agreement was made
                                    between the NBN and Optus in 2012,
                                    where it was approved by the
                                    Australian Competition and Consumer
                                    Commission under the grounds that
                                    the government could gradually
                                    decommission Optus’s HFC and replace
                                    it with fibre-to-the-premises
                                    broadband connections.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    The existing network needed upgrades
                                    and it was deemed commercially
                                    unviable for Optus to do that work
                                    and maintain it.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Despite this, the deal was revised
                                    in 2015 the government would keep
                                    Optus’s HFC network in use and make
                                    upgrades where needed for the same
                                    $800 million price tag.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Opposition communications spokesman
                                    Jason Clare slammed the findings of
                                    the document, saying it showed “more
                                    evidence of the absolute mess that
                                    Malcolm Turnbull has created with
                                    his second-rate NBN”.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    “It reveals that the Optus HFC
                                    network, a key component of Malcolm
                                    Turnbull’s second-rate NBN, is in
                                    far worse condition than Australians
                                    were led to believe and NBN Co is
                                    considering overbuilding the network
                                    — costing hundreds of millions and
                                    meaning hundreds of thousands of
                                    Australians will have to wait longer
                                    to get the NBN,” Mr Clare said.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    Optus said that it always
                                    acknowledged the HFC network needed
                                    major investment to manage
                                    subscriber growth and capacity
                                    demand.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    A statement from NBN Co said the
                                    corporate plan had accounted for the
                                    ebbs and flows of the project.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    “NBN has met or exceeded all targets
                                    over the past 18 months and we
                                    remain confident in our long range
                                    plan and the various strategies we
                                    have in place to manage the risk,”
                                    the statement said.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    “Nearly 1.5 million homes and
                                    businesses can now order an NBN
                                    service and nearly 700,000 are
                                    connected.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    “In order to manage risk NBN
                                    regularly prepares for multiple
                                    scenarios in the network deployment
                                    — the document concerned is part of
                                    that ongoing approach of risk
                                    mitigation.”<br>
                                    <br>
                                    “Our corporate plan has accounted
                                    for the ebbs and flows expected in a
                                    project of this scale.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    “NBN has met or exceeded all targets
                                    over the past 18 months and we
                                    remain confident in our long range
                                    plan and the various strategies we
                                    have in place to manage the risk.<br>
                                    <br>
                                    “Nearly 1.5 million homes and
                                    businesses can now order an nbn
                                    service and nearly 700,000 are
                                    connected. In order to manage risk,
                                    NBN regularly prepares for multiple
                                    scenarios in the network deployment
                                    - the document concerned is part of
                                    that ongoing approach of risk
                                    mitigation.”<br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
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style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959">Regards,</span></strong><b><span
style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959"><br>
                                        <strong><span
                                            style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Greg
                                            Anderson</span></strong></span></b><br>
                                    <span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959">Senior
                                      Network Administrator</span>   <span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#A6A6A6">|</span>   <span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959">Ray
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                                          href="tel:%2807%29+32312121"
                                          target="_blank"><span
                                            style="color:#345E9C;text-decoration:none">(07)
                                            32312121</span></a>   <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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