[AusNOG] Cisco 887VA vs Cisco 867VAE

Tue Nov 3 10:38:49 EST 2015

Cisco no longer publishes throughput testing for lower end CPE.

Suffice to say, 870, 887s, 867s (old ones) are not really up to the task
for fibre/high speed connections.

Anything with a 10/100 switchport module in them won't really be able to
push packets between the switch ports at line rate very well

However, the 'new' generation 800 series, in our in-house testing are
all pretty good.

Newer generation hardware, and getting rid of the shitty 10/100 switch
port modules has helped a lot.

Good for high speed:
897VA
*Throughput:* 	*56 byte packets (Mbit)* 	*Pps @ 56bytes* 	*1500 byte
packets (Mbit)* 	*Pps @ 1500 bytes*
Default (No ACL) 	56.16 	81600 	741.63 	79500
Default (With Standard ACL) 	29.21 	46700 	430.58 	46200
With NAT (No ACL) 	26.18 	41400 	484.67 	41800
With NAT (With Standard ACL) 	18.57 	29600 	334.26 	29100
With IP Inspect With NAT (No ACL) 	16.72 	26700 	304.65 	26400
With IP Inspect With NAT (With Standard ACL) 	16.2 	21100 	242.98 	20800

Good for entry level
867VAE
VDSL Testing;
*Throughput:* 	*56 byte packets (Mbit)* 	*Pps @ 56bytes* 	*1500 byte
packets (Mbit)* 	*Pps @ 1500 bytes*
Default (No ACL) 	23 	42000 	65.5 	5580
Default (With Standard ACL) 	
	19050 	65.9 	4600
With NAT (No ACL) 	6.9 	12291 	63.1 	5367
With NAT (With Standard ACL) 	3.7 	6600 	63.1 	5361
With IP Inspect With NAT (No ACL) 	3.7 	6690 	64.25 	5454
With IP Inspect With NAT (With Standard ACL) 	3 	5352 	59.5 	4952

887VA
*_PPPoE out Ethernet Results:_* 	

*Throughput overhead with services:* 	

*Throughput:* 	*56 byte packets (Mbit)* 	*Pps @ 56bytes* 	*1500 byte
packets (Mbit)* 	*Pps @ 1500 bytes*
Default (No ACL) 	13.29 	21303 	98 	8099
Default (With Standard ACL) 	7.04 	11287 	98.15 	8107
With NAT (No ACL) 	15.63 	25052 	98.1 	8108
With NAT (With Standard ACL) 	7.55 	12101 	97.2 	8082
With IP Inspect With NAT (No ACL) 	5.44 	8726 	96.07 	7935
With IP Inspect With NAT (With Standard ACL) 	3.9 	6276 	78.07 	6441

*_VDSL Results:_* 	

*Throughput overhead with services:* 	

*Throughput:* 	*56 byte packets (Mbit)* 	*Pps @ 56bytes* 	*1500 byte
packets (Mbit)* 	*Pps @ 1500 bytes*
Default (No ACL) 	23 	42000 	65.5 	5580
Default (With Standard ACL) 	10.7 	19050 	65.9 	4600
With NAT (No ACL) 	6.9 	12291 	63.1 	5367
With NAT (With Standard ACL) 	3.7 	6600 	63.1 	5361
With IP Inspect With NAT (No ACL) 	3.7 	6690 	64.25 	5454
With IP Inspect With NAT (With Standard ACL) 	3 	5352 	59.5 	4952

Rule of thumb:
Basically any 800 series router with a Gig port are the new generation
and are good.
Anything with a 10/100 switchport are OK, but not really up to the task
for Fibre

And, yes you can upgrade just the modem firmware for xDSL

Your Mileage may vary,

Cheers,
Mike

On 03/11/15 02:20, Matthew Solly wrote:
> That's a pretty old document though, this is a more up to date one
> covering the current 860VAE range:
>
> http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/routers/800-series-routers/data_sheet_c78-693249.pdf
>
> There are also several models of the 867VAE, some with slightly
> different capabilities in terms of performance. 
>
> I have done some testing with an 867VAE-W-K9, and it can handle a
> 100mbps WAN connection with ease. However, this was in a small office
> environment (5-6 users) with the device doing DHCP/DNS/NAT and not
> much else. I'm unsure how it would perform with more of the advanced
> features in use though, as in this environment there was no need for
> them. 
>
> Matt
>
> On 2 Nov 2015, at 21:36, Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com
> <mailto:skeeve+ausnog at theispguy.com>> wrote:
>
>> I don't think either of these routers have the throughput to handle
>> decent NBN connections.
>>
>> Check: http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/downloads/765/tools/quickreference/routerperformance.pdf
>>
>> 870 series - 12.8Mbps
>> 860 series - 12.8Mbps
>> 880 series - 25.6Mbos
>> 890 series - 51.2Mbos
>>
>>
>>
>> ...Skeeve
>>
>>
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