[AusNOG] CA Data Retention costs letter to Ministers

Matt Perkins matt at spectrum.com.au
Tue Mar 24 22:24:23 EST 2015 

Ha,
  If we see one cent I would be very surprised . The money they are 
talking about im sure is all earmarked for regulation and enforcement   
of the new regime.  As well as education inside government for access 
seekers as to what info they can get.

Oh not to forget the TV Ad campaign telling the public why we need it.

Wasn't this government committed to slashing read tape. I guess just 
another lie.

If we see one cent in compensation other then the normal tax deductions 
I will dance naked on a table at the next IXAU drinks. - Come to think 
of it that's not much of a threat - disregard my last.

Matt


On 24/03/2015 10:16 pm, Mark Newton wrote:
> No. Brandis was asked about that tonight in the Senate. He says it's 
> cabinet-in-confidence, and a matter for the budget.
>
> They're going to wing it.
>
>    - mark
>
> On 24 Mar 2015, at 10:10 pm, Russell Langton <russell3901 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:russell3901 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> /Apologies if this is general knowledge, but havn't seen anything.
>>
>> Following the previous industry letter, is there any confirmation 
>> about the breakdown in costs of who will pay?
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:41 PM, Geordie Guy <elomis at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:elomis at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     The bill will pass tonight. Much, much too little, much, much too
>>     late.
>>
>>     With any luck someone will pass an ammendment to cover the costs
>>     of AusNOG subscribers ordering new business cards with
>>     "Government Storage Administrator" as the title.
>>
>>     Well done guys.
>>
>>     On 24/03/2015 7:47 PM, "Shane Chrisp" <shane at 2000cn.com.au
>>     <mailto:shane at 2000cn.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Thought this may be of interest to those who have not seen it.
>>
>>         Regards
>>         Shane
>>
>>
>>         Go dark
>>         <https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email>
>>
>>
>>         Shane –
>>
>>         It's happening. The Government's data retention scheme looks
>>         set to pass the Senate tonight, with Labor's support. If this
>>         happens, it's a terrible outcome for Australians, and the
>>         media and whistleblowers who keep us informed.
>>
>>         This scheme is rushed, costly, ineffective, and against the
>>         public interest. A lazy amendment from the ALP - purportedly
>>         to prevent this dodgy data bill from having a freezing effect
>>         on the media - has as many holes in it as a slice of Swiss
>>         cheese. It leaves journalists and whistleblowers largely
>>         unprotected,^1 and will see every one of us treated as a
>>         potential suspect. Essentially, it punishes the wrong people.
>>         But as the Government and Labor team up to rush the
>>         legislation through the Senate, we have a way of getting
>>         their attention by illustrating just how problematic this
>>         bill really is.
>>
>>         *Can you join us in 'going dark' against data retention
>>         tomorrow to protest the Government's dangerous and
>>         ineffective scheme?
>>         <https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email>*
>>
>>
>>         The message we're sending is clear. In its haste to rush
>>         these broad sweeping laws, *the Government's costly scheme
>>         has targeted all of us while ignoring just how easy it is to
>>         circumvent data retention.* The truth is, anyone who wants to
>>         protect their privacy (yes, this includes people with
>>         something to hide) has a huge range of perfectly legal
>>         options to do so, including simply avoiding Australian
>>         service providers. Now that's just bad for business!
>>
>>         The impact of this is that Australians familiar with
>>         technology will easily be able to protect their data, while
>>         those that aren't as comfortable with newer technology will
>>         bear the brunt of the risks associated with data retention.
>>
>>         *Across Australia tomorrow, citizens will be showing the
>>         government and Labor that this law will be another costly
>>         white elephant that doesn't make us any safer.*
>>
>>         *Click here to sign up and learn how to go dark:
>>         http://www.getup.org.au/dark
>>         <https://www.getup.org.au/campaigns/privacy/go-dark-against-data-retention/go-dark-against-data-retention?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email>*
>>
>>
>>         Alycia, for the GetUp team.
>>
>>         PS: If you've just got a moment, *change your Facebook and
>>         Twitter profile picture to this image to help spread the
>>         word.
>>         <http://cdn.getup.org.au/991-PROF-PIC-%281%29-%281%29.jpg?t=njyZ5SjZD&utm_content=7635&utm_campaign=You%20can%27t%20handle%20the%20data&utm_source=blast&utm_medium=email>*
>>
>>
>>         PPS: Even the Government's Communications Minister Malcolm
>>         Turnbull understands how important metadata is and how easy
>>         it is to avoid scrutiny. He has fessed up to using an instant
>>         messaging app which avoids retention, and joked last year
>>         that private networks (VPNs) could be used to circumvent data
>>         retention laws. By contrast, our Prime Minister recalls never
>>         being that worried about metadata back when he was a
>>         journalist in the 1980's... at a time that pre-dated
>>         widespread internet and mobile phone use.^2 Go figure!
>>
>>         /References/
>>
>>         [1] Data retention plan amended for journalists, but is it
>>         enough? The Conversation, 20th March 2015.
>>         [2] Data retention: Journalists' union labels Tony Abbott's
>>         defence of metadata protections 'ludicrous', ABC News,
>>         Wednesday 18th March 2015.
>>
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